No Agenda - 1660 - "Doom Goblin" Transcript and Discussion (2024)

Starting point is 00:00:00 Everybody should move to Saskatoon! Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, May 16, 2024. This is your award-winning Gimbal Nation Media Assassination episode 1616. This is No Agenda. We are Climate Smart and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number 6 in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

Starting point is 00:00:24 We're here from Northern Silicon Valley where we want to remind people that no dude over 40 is gonna rock and roll all night and party every day it's bull crap I'm John C. DeBorek. It's Crap, Bop and Buzzkill in the morning. I'll have you know I was rocking and rolling all night and partying every single day when I was 40. You weren't? You were. When you were 40, I remember you when you were 40. Don't I?

Starting point is 00:00:53 No. You were pulling apart computers on the TV. Yeah, well, that's not rocking and rolling all night. Whatever that means, and partying every day, which is, which, which presumes by the wording that you're better, you never get any sleep. It's bull crap. Hey, hello. I'm listening to you and Darryl singing along with that song. I couldn't know how farther I'm thinking. His name is now Darryl?

Starting point is 00:01:20 Oh, Darryl. Yeah, Darryl. You and Darryl and his other brother, Darrell. Yeah, Darrell. You and Darrell and his other brother, Darrell. You crack me up, John C. Dvorak. Oh man. Well, I feel... Are you okay? You knocking stuff? I dropped a clip sheet. Oh no. And it is, it's a literal sheet, isn't it? It's a clipboard. Tell me it's a clipboard. No clipboard, sorry. And it is, it's a literal sheet, isn't it? It's a clipboard. Tell me it's a clipboard. No clipboard, sorry. Just a piece of paper. Well, speaking of pulling computers apart, I had such a great week. I loved Monday and Tuesday, was so funny. As these numb nut nimrods in Silicon Valley try to convince us that AI is great. It's great everybody, is just great.

Starting point is 00:02:13 I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm going short AI and long on people. This is here. Would you like a 45 second overview of the Google I.O. event with Sundar Pichai and all of his executives. This is like, yes, actually I was going to get this clip. I'm glad you got it. AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI Anything that you heard of that you thought might be useful in your life that Google presented anything No, but I saw a report that was kind of frightening. Oh

Starting point is 00:03:30 Did you get a clip of said? No, I was said I don't have a clip and I have to explain it Actually, I'll get a clip and put it on the next show. Okay. Well then I have one more clip here because not to be Just more who put that together. You didn't know I didn't know no that that's been circulating now a bit circulated it's a good clip it's a great clip i mean that's what when people do that then you know that no one's buying it you know instead of oh oh oh oh so good what but now but now not to be outdone open ai, open AI, Sam Altman's, what's that cult he was in again? What was that sex cult those guys were in? Yeah, it was, yeah. I forget the name of that sex cult.

Starting point is 00:04:13 It was a sex cult. I think it still is a sex cult. I think it's still in business. Yeah, I think so. It was, what, who breaks up a sex cult? Nobody. Effective, no, especially not if you're said leader of said sex cult. No, you got it made.

Starting point is 00:04:28 Effective altruism. We're going to save the world with math. So they came out with a demo, which was, as I've distilled this, a classic, classic Silicon Valley demo. Classic. So there's a guy sitting in a room. Well, let me explain what that means to the public. Oh, please do.

Starting point is 00:04:51 All BS. All BS. Scam. All the time. It's unbelievable. But now, now because of this demo, and I looked up the definition of the word reason to reason. So when AI can reason, it would be like the AI would see me sitting here in my room and would presume, oh, I see a microphone, I see a mixer, I see you got headphones on.

Starting point is 00:05:24 Are you about to do a podcast? That's reasoning. So their open AI is now effectively a creepy, somewhatsexualized spokesmodel who got on my nerves very quickly. It's kind of like Siri with a personality. So here's the guy sitting in a room and he's holding up the camera and the open AI is having a conversation with him. Hey, how's it going? Hey there. It's going great.

Starting point is 00:06:06 How about you? I see you're rocking an open AI hoodie. Nice, Jelis. What's up with that ceiling though? Are you in a cool industry style office or something? Well, can you take a guess at what I might be doing based on what I'm showing you here? Hold on, stop. Stop.

Starting point is 00:06:21 I can't tell which gay guy is the AI and which gay guy is the person. The kind of female? They sound very similar. They both have affectations, let's put it that way. Yes. I love the, I see you're rocking a cool open AI hoodie. Now, if I held that camera- So that's the AI talking there.

Starting point is 00:06:44 Yeah, because the AI is reasoning, you see. It's reasoning. It's not rigged, this demo, at all. No, of course not. It's reasoning. We continue. Hmm. From what I can see, it looks like you're in some kind of recording or production setup.

Starting point is 00:07:00 With those lights, tripods, and possibly a mic, it seems like you might be gearing up to shoot a video or maybe even a live stream. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. Why wouldn't the AI say podcast or television show?

Starting point is 00:07:17 But no, it's some kind of demonstration or live stream perhaps. Hmm. Or maybe even a live stream. Yeah, good point. Yeah. In fact, we've got a new announcement to make. Or how about, are you gonna send me a dick pic?

Starting point is 00:07:30 No, no, no, no. The reasoning is smart. Okay, let's see what he's in fact about to do. That's exciting. Announcements are always a big deal. Judging by the setup, it looks like it's gonna be quite the professional production.

Starting point is 00:07:44 Is this announcement related to OpenAI perhaps? It is. And in fact... Oh wow! This thing is so smart. It's like, wait a minute. You rock in the OpenAI hoodie. You've got video and lights.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Could this be something about OpenAI? Is this announcement related to Open AI perhaps it is and in fact what if I were to say that you're related to the announcement or that you are the announcement me the announcement is about me okay this is where it went creepy for me because a phony laugh that's weird kind of it's lightly sexualized which is kind of creepy. Me? You're talking about little old me? My hot pants? The announcement is about me? Well, color me intrigued. This is like somebody on a

Starting point is 00:08:40 microphone someplace. Hold on, this gets better. Well color me intrigued, are you about to reveal something about AI or more specific? By the way, hold on, how does the AI voice breathe like that? You know in and out, I mean this is ridiculous. This is how good it's gotten John. It's reasoning, it's comic strip blogger. It's breathing somehow. It's reasoning. It's real comic strip blogger breathing somehow Comic strip blogger thinks everyone will be dead in five years. This is all that's gonna be running is this Feel something about AI or more specifically about me as a part of open AI You've got me on the edge of my well, I don't really have a seat, but you get the idea. Oh Oh, and it's funny. It's doing material. It's doing stick.

Starting point is 00:09:26 What's the big news? Yeah, we've got a new model that can interact with the world through audio, vision and texts. Oh, man. And they have demos. They literally have a blind dude in Times Square holding up his phone.

Starting point is 00:09:40 Tell me what I'm not seeing. I mean, come on. It's embarrassing at this point. He's embarrassed. And Sam Albin, I tried to clip, he did an hour long interview with one of his venture capital partners on their podcast. This is the thing these days. You have a VC company and then you have-

Starting point is 00:10:02 Well, this is not just EastEd. This has been going on for years. Yeah, but- But yeah, if you're a podcaster in residence, oh, I'm going to interview Sam about this. Oh, they have a podcast in residence. I love that. Oh yeah, a podcaster in residence for sure. Okay. What do you do? I'm a podcast in residence. What do you do? Sit here.

Starting point is 00:10:20 It's an exit strategy. Yeah. Hello, Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak here. We are podcasters and residents for Kleiner Perkins. Let's talk about some green tech, everybody. So here's my question. Could you ask a GPT 4.0, little o, how it will actually make money? I would like to ask it that question.

Starting point is 00:10:44 And when will it make my email better? You want to impress me? Let me run this thing on my email. So it knows what I want to see. It pops things to the top. It learns. It has machine learning. It can reason how to lie when I don't really want to respond to somebody.

Starting point is 00:11:02 Do that and I'll be impressed. That's a good product you just described. Of course. That's, that is the product. That's the killer app. But no, no, instead. Of course not. I can't do anything.

Starting point is 00:11:15 Let's face it. No, you're rocking a cool open AI hoodie there. People, but you know, I got emails from people I, I still kind of respect. Like the former New York banker, the former New York banker, he says, look at this man, it's really getting somewhere now. And he sends me a link to this demo.

Starting point is 00:11:39 I'm like, are you kidding me? It's getting somewhere. It's really getting somewhere. Well, he got suckered by the demo. That demo is obviously a fake. Yeah. I mean, we've done these demos, John. Now mind you, we could be in Kuala Lumpur.

Starting point is 00:11:55 I mean, I've done with Mark Cantor. I've done the demos. I've done the demos. That's how it works in Silicon Valley. But okay, let's go raise a trillion dollars. We need more money. When this thing comes spinning apart, it's going to be hilarious to watch. And it will.

Starting point is 00:12:13 It always does. It always does. Yeah. Although you think this is a real cycle, like the cycle will last. I think, well, I have watched this over and over. And it's always, it happens at some point it sticks. Yeah, but it's, what's sticking is- Well, what's not, it's not, I mean, I first think this could stick.

Starting point is 00:12:32 I think some aspects of it will, but with stuff like what you just played is, is, is, is disconcer- it's, I can't say the word right. Disconcerting. It's disheartening. Yeah, but disheartening is that people are, oh, this is great, but here we go, it's reasoning, it's smart, it's smart. Well, that's the way those demos work. We've seen this over the years.

Starting point is 00:12:55 They're very effective at buffaloing the public. And if you ask anyone, I mean, it's actually pretty good at helping people code. Okay, but it's actually pretty good at helping people code. Okay. But it's not going to replace coders because writing code is like poetry, pros. It's not, yeah, okay. But a little simple program, sure. You can replace some widgets in the organization, but not people who actually code software

Starting point is 00:13:21 as the creative endeavor that it really is. You know, putting design in the back of their mind as they're doing it. No, it's like, it's like disco. It's like disco of code. It's like, it's programmatic. Okay. Well, yeah, some of that is good. I mean, if anybody who has spent any time trying to get any AI to sort through any data, oh, I can upload a Google spreadsheet to it.

Starting point is 00:13:44 Google, what is it called? What is the Google, Google doc? Google calc. Calc. Is that what it is? VisiCalc. VisiCalc. I can upload my VisiCalc. I can upload my VisiCalc to it. And, you know, but by the time you're done and by the time you're done correcting it, I mean, it always has 20% error rate. I mean, you probably could have got more done if you just did it yourself. You know, it just doesn't... Sheets. There you go. Thank you. Google Sheets. Sheets. Sheets. Sheets.

Starting point is 00:14:16 It's the sheets, man. It's totally sheets. Then the former New York banker did send me this pre-print, Then the former New York banker did send me this pre-print, durably reducing conspiracy beliefs through dialogues with AI. Oh, yes. They've done a study. So that'll do it. They've done a study across two experiments.

Starting point is 00:14:35 We find robust evidence, that's better than no evidence, robust evidence that the debunking conversation with the AI reduced belief in conspiracy theories by roughly 20% 20% what conspiracy theories are we talking about? Oh moon landing and stuff. Now the effect did not decay over two months time. So it stuck, was consistently observed across a wide range of different conspiracy theories and occurred even for participants whose conspiracy beliefs were deeply entrenched and of great importance to their identities. But that'd be you. Yeah, totally.

Starting point is 00:15:14 So, what, 20% is a small number it seems to me. It's roughly, so it's probably 18 or 17. Probably 15. Furthermore, although the dialogues were focused on a single conspiracy theory, the intervention spilled over to reduce beliefs in unrelated conspiracies, indicating a general increase in conspiratorial worldview, as well as increasing intentions to challenge others who espouse their chosen conspiracy. These findings highlight that even many people who

Starting point is 00:15:46 strongly believed in seemingly fact resistant, conspiratorial beliefs can change their minds in the face of sufficient evidence. There's hope for me. There's hope for me yet with AI. I hope that that groovy chick in the open AI system will talk me off the ledge next time. It's amazing. It's amazing. That's where we're at. I mean, who needs, who needs anything? We don't need anything. You ran into a brick wall with that. Yeah, I know. So it's okay. Sorry, I should have stopped earlier. you're right.

Starting point is 00:16:25 Now the big, I think there's a couple of big stories out there, I see you have a multi-parter so I'm going to lead you into it. I'm gonna let you loose and then I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna close the deal on this one, okay? Oh yeah? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Because it's not going away, it's bird flu.

Starting point is 00:16:42 Let's talk medical news that we can with America's favorite doctor, the US federal government. America's favorite doctor. And is announcing new funding to help mitigate the risks of the bird flu outbreak among livestock. Yeah, and when we've covered this before, we've been talking about it for a while now. When you have a spreading pathogen,

Starting point is 00:16:59 like avian influenza, you want to try to mitigate and contain that spread spread and this is what the federal government is really targeting the industry and agriculture. Let me take you through it. It's a spreading pathogen. They are pledging financial support for PPE for employees of affected. Okay now listen carefully there are that all the words we've learned PPE, pathogen, so they're going to give PPE to people who might be exposed to the non-existent threat of bird flu in cows. Let me take you through it. They are pledging financial support for PPE for

Starting point is 00:17:37 employees of affected herds because we know that now there are at least nine states involved with these infected herds. Funding for heat treatment disposal of impacted milk because that's the only biosecure way of disposing of milk that has been exposed or infected. Compensation of producers for the loss of milk production is obviously important and they need to work with the states to limit the movement of lactating cattle because again from the agriculture and industry standpoint you really need to protect the people who are closest to these infected animals at this point. I just love they say that it's a cow I just think how why lactating animal lactating cattle it just sounds good all right we got one

Starting point is 00:18:22 more you know that that plays into the birthing person and all these other things. Yes, lactating cattle. Now they're moving it over to the animal world. It's not a cow. Lactating cattle is a cow. Hello. It's not a dairy cow. Lactating cattle, lactating animals that lactate with four legs. So now it's off the hook and it's very important what's being said here. Where'd that come from by the way? That's ABC with Dr. Jen Ashton, America's favorite doctor. Oh, she should be fired.

Starting point is 00:18:57 Well, hold on. I got another clip and I'm going to let you loose on your raw milk clips. Of course, I haven't heard them. We never listen to each other's clips, but I saw them. So I know you're going to fill the doughnut hole here. So it's very important to note that they are as I predicted, they're talking about culling herds. Oh, no, there'll be compensation. This is what they've been doing with ranchers and farmers for decades in the United States. It's how you get everyone in control. It's like, hey, don't worry.

Starting point is 00:19:24 If your crops fail, if your herd has to get culled because of, I'm sorry, your lactating cattle needs to be culled because it has some mythical bird flu virus in it that we've detected somewhere with PCR spun up to 80 cycles. Don't worry, we'll take care of your farmers. It's called bird flu, but we hurt cattle, so it's affecting multiple animals. This is the question I know some people are going to have. Multiple animals now? How do I keep from this affecting me? Listen, I've had conversations with senior officials. Oh, how is this going to affect me? Is it going to affect me? Can I get the bird flu? This

Starting point is 00:19:57 is the question I know some people are going to have. How do I keep from this affecting me? Listen, I've had conversations with senior officials at the CDC. Right now they are considering the risk to the overall US population to be low, but who is at higher risk? The people who work in these industries. So right now you should try to remove yourself from any animal that definitely appears to be ill if you're talking about birds or cattle. And then again, I think we need to realize that.

Starting point is 00:20:25 Hold on, stop, stop, stop the clip. Stop and clip. Do they have any evidence or even one dead cow that died from bird flu that they can document? There is no lactating animal that has died. Cows are fine. The cows like, have you seen the cows are, with their tongue just like a normal cow. Definitely appears to be ill if you're talking about birds or cattle.

Starting point is 00:20:50 Appears to be ill, she said. Appears to be ill. And then again, I think we need to... She is not a veterinarian. She's practicing veterinary medicine without a license here as far as I'm concerned. Definitely appears to be ill if you're talking about birds or cattle. And then again, I think we need to realize that it starts with containing amongst our agriculture and that's what we're seeing the federal government do right now.

Starting point is 00:21:14 Alright, so federal government stepping in, John. Now, of course, the main culprit where it all starts, where we're all worried, we're worried, we're worried, we're worried, raw milk. Or as you would say, milk. Milk is the Midwestern way of Chicago way to pronounce it. Raw milk. But milk, I can say milk. Yeah, you can.

Starting point is 00:21:33 Now this is, we've been clipping this for a while. They're, they're just going after raw milk, like there's no tomorrow. And so to pound it home, you know, they were doing it kind of in an oblique way in the previous couple of shows clips, but NPR to pound it home, they're pretty much going to just talk nothing but raw milk in these few clips. I got six of them. They're short, but they're, and they need to be interrupted a lot. So that's why I chopped it up. But here we go wrong raw milk BS and a reminder and a disclaimer elitist voices of America This is NPR

Starting point is 00:22:14 Or PBS the bird flu outbreak continues to spread among cows The virus has now been found in almost 50 dairy herds across nine states. Health officials say milk that is pasteurized to kill germs is safe to drink, but the Food and Drug Administration has renewed warnings against raw milk. We continue to strongly advise against the consumption of raw milk and recommend that industry does not manufacture or sell raw milk or raw milk products. Now unpasteurized or raw milk is still being sold in many states and advocates for raw milk products. Now, unpasteurized or raw milk is still being sold in many states and advocates for raw milk say the federal government has always opposed its consumption.

Starting point is 00:22:50 So why should they listen now? Well, here to talk more about this whole situation are MPRS Ping Wong and Kira Eisner. Hey to both of you. Hey, Elsa. Hey, friend. Hey, Elsa. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, so Kira, I want to start with you.

Starting point is 00:23:03 I'm sorry. I'll shut up. I see you already did it. Yes, you stepped all over the joke. I know, but this is what you do with my clips. So I will present the correct example and I shall no longer step on your clips. I apologize. Our NPR's Ping Wong and Kira Eisner. Hey to both of you.

Starting point is 00:23:18 Hey, Elsa. Hey. Hey, Elsa. Hey. Hey, so Kira, I want to start with you because you went to Texas last week and you were, I hear on this What is it with this hey But I this is NPR's been doing this. And here's Elsa so-and-so. Hey, hey, hey, what what do you say? What is this? What kind of broadcasting is this?

Starting point is 00:23:40 Well, it's it goes along with the pronoun, uh thing. It's like you can't say, hi lady. Or hello? No, no, hello. You can't do that. Or welcome to the show? No, oh no, oh no, no. This is just hey. Hey, you know what?

Starting point is 00:23:56 They're a family at NPR. I think that's, they probably, a memo went out. We sound too serious guys. When we do our handovers, let's make it sound like we're a family. Hey But don't you think that's a memo these these I think there was a no, but you you can deal with family What do you say? Hey, but to your family? Hey Friends this is this this is a thing. Hey friend friend. It said what a sales car I'd use car sales guy No, this is what a sales car, a used car sales guy says.

Starting point is 00:24:25 No, this is what millennials, ah, Gen Z. This is what Joe Rogan says. Hey friends. He says hey? He says hey friends at the start of every single one of his ads. Hey friends. It's part of an ad. It's kind of a generic non-threatening because you can't say hey guys, oops.

Starting point is 00:24:43 You can't say hey guys, oops. You can't say, hey people, oops. You know, so it is the, it is a safe way to address a crowd. Hey friends. It is close next to ladies and germs. Oh no, no, no, no. Hey, hey, it's, it's a follow on to Hey Comrade. I think, I think it's a, Hey Comrade. Yes, you nailed it. Yeah. It's Hey Comrade. I think. I think it's a- Hey Comrade. It is. Yes, you nailed it. Yeah. It's Hey Comrade. Yeah. Okay. Let's just listen to that again. Hey Comrades, that's

Starting point is 00:25:09 what it is. It's code for comrade. Well, here to talk more about this whole situation are MPRS Ping Wong and Kiera Eisner. Hey to both of you. Hey Elsa. Hey. Hey Elsa. Hey. Hey. Hey. So Kiera, I want to start with you because you went to Texas last week and you were, I hear on this mission to find raw milk and test it for this virus. What did you find?

Starting point is 00:25:31 I found it was quite easy to purchase in Texas. It's legal there. And all I had to do was drive up to these farms and purchase the milk directly from them. In some cases, there was a store attendant who I paid the money to. In other cases, there wasn't even anybody there. I just opened the door to the fridge, grabbed the milk, left cash in a drop box, and came out.

Starting point is 00:25:56 Wow, Texas is out of control, man. You just walk up and grab the milk, and you're good to go, whoa. They don't quite make, I think they're somewhat baffled. We have this in Washington state. It's called self-service honor system friend. They're called honor farms. And they're all over the place. And you just go up there. Now, if there was a California,

Starting point is 00:26:22 they would not only not pay, they would steal the box of money and the refrigerator, would they both be gone. As long as it's under $950 in value. It's okay, comrade. So I found it was, she seemed a bit non, she was, I think she was baffled by the fact that you could just go buy something without having to see somebody that you had to do it by honor.

Starting point is 00:26:47 Well, isn't that, hold on, isn't that how California shopping works? You just go in and take it? Yeah, well nowadays. Okay. All right. Next clip. In one of those farms in San Antonio, I met another woman who was buying milk. Her name was Cheryl Mossrom and she said she's been drinking raw milk on and off

Starting point is 00:27:06 For the past 15 to 20 years because I think the world milk is typically a much better quality right now We're just kind of watching the situation and that was in Texas, which was zero for this outbreak Yes, you Texas are ground zero you know Bro! Yes, you Texas are ground zero. You know, it was the meat mafia boys who gave me my most recent jug of raw milk. Oh, you got some? Oh, it is. It's almost like eggnog. It's so good.

Starting point is 00:27:37 It's pretty tasty. It's eggnog. It's basically if you like eggnog, you will like raw milk. Scientists can tell that's where bird flu jumped to cows last December and kicked off this whole outbreak. Wait, so can people get bird flu from drinking raw milk? What from drinking? Wait, but wait, but drinking raw milk?

Starting point is 00:27:55 Righty, drink from the script. Cripped. Ping, like what do we know? Bad emphasis. Yes, in bold letters with italics. Inking raw milk? Ping, like what do we know about the risks? Well, it's all theoretical and the answer is maybe, but honestly health officials just

Starting point is 00:28:13 don't know. They don't know! So, Don Pater from the FDA, we heard from him in the intro. He's very clear that the agency doesn't recommend drinking raw milk, but he also says that there are a lot of open questions. I just want to remind everybody, because I know that we were doing the show when this happened. I think we were. Were we doing the show when I had the castle? No, I don't think so. No, it was a post-castle.

Starting point is 00:28:38 So pre-show, I had the castle in Belgium, good times, and we had tons of... A castle. You owned a castle? I owned a castle, yes, good times. And we had tons of- The castle. You owned a castle? I owned a castle. Yes. I thought you rented it. As I said, good times. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:28:52 Those- So that's got overhead issues. Yeah, because you got to get a guy to do the outside. You got to get someone on the inside and then a third person to make sure those people aren't ripping you off. Now it's bad. And that's all in Belgium where everything is complicated. But anyway, we had black swans, a family of black swans, and the mother and father always

Starting point is 00:29:11 stay there, which was nice. The swans would come up and they would actually walk into the living room sometimes. What? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Swans are brazen. You left the door open? Yes. The swan come in, he's like,

Starting point is 00:29:26 you got something to eat? Yeah. Swans... Dude, when I... This was... Dude. Dude, I had a helipad. This is good times.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Yeah, I know you had a helipad. Right. You needed one. So, I would come in... So, how much money were you burning? Oh, I burned it all. I burned it all on castles and helicopters. I literally burned my money in the air.

Starting point is 00:29:45 So I'd come flying in, coming into a slow hover, 300 feet. There goes a black swan. Chop, chop, chop. They would both come flying toward me and split off like a top gun. They would split off to the right and the left. It was, and they would always do that. They would come and and say hello to me anyway, so we had tons of ducks and Then there was bird flu and the bird flu was bad and they were culling Chickens all over the place. In fact, they came into like a three kilometer radius And it was right around the castle because we were pretty sure they were gonna come and call our

Starting point is 00:30:25 ducks and our swans and I was kind of ready for some kind of confrontation and But that didn't happen it stayed contained and one of the guys, you know, one of my neighbors who had chickens He got bird flu and he would come over to the house. He's like, how you doing? I got the bird flu and it was like a like a like a bad flu. And he lived. He just we just stayed home for a day or two. And then, you know, took some took some Advil and he got over it and he lived. He did not die. And it was the authorities that killed all his chickens.

Starting point is 00:31:00 No, they were still tasty. So anyway, long, long story short, this is not a dangerous disease for humans, no more dangerous than the flu. Remember swine flu? I had swine flu. Remember I got swine flu? I lived. You got swine flu.

Starting point is 00:31:18 I lived. I lived. Okay, back to NPR. You're pressing your luck with this conversation. There's not a tremendous amount of studies showing the impactivity related to this virus and raw milk products. The one person who's for sure gotten bird's- Hold on a second. Did you hear what he just-

Starting point is 00:31:35 Yeah, there's nothing. Why are they banning it and making a big fuss? They've got no zero. They got nothing, nothing. Nothing, evidence. So here is my story reiterated by the experts. There's not a tremendous amount of studies showing the impactivity related to this virus and raw milk products. The one person who's for sure gotten bird flu so far was a dairy worker in Texas,

Starting point is 00:31:58 and he was dealing with sick cows. He probably got exposed to sprays of infected milk and manure. like cows. He probably got exposed to sprays of infected milk and manure. Oh no! Oh no! Bertha pooped on me! Ah! As far as health authorities can tell, no one has gotten bird food from drinking raw milk yet. Yet! Yet! But we're hopeful! Food from drinking raw milk yet. So what they're leaning on in their recommendation is the fact that people have gotten sick from other things in raw milk, like salmonella and E. coli. And that's why they don't think people should drink it.

Starting point is 00:32:27 No one has gotten sick from the raw milk. They're just saying that. So here we go. Now the thing that bothered me about what I, why I cut it off there is because the thing about raw milk that is problematic and it comes up in the, if, if these dairies aren't doing their job and it's listeriosis. And they don't even mention that. And so listeriosis, which also shows up every place else too, there's a CDC page. I sent you a copy to put in the show notes. Yes, it's in the show notes. But people should look on this page, they should go check it out and read the outbreaks of listeriosis

Starting point is 00:33:07 that are on the sidebar on the left. And I'm going to read a few of them. Here's a reporting timeline. Listeria outbreak linked to queso fresco and cote ha cheese. Queso fresco? Listeria outbreak linked to peaches, nectarines, and plums. Listeria outbreak linked to ice cream. Listeria outbreak linked to peaches, nectarines and plums. Listeria outbreak linked to ice cream. Listeria outbreak linked to leafy greens. Listeria outbreak linked to enoki mushrooms. Listeria outbreak linked to deli meat and cheese.

Starting point is 00:33:37 My favorite next. And on and on and on. And the next one linked to brie and camembert. Oh no. Yeah, brie and camembert. And packet salads produced by Dore. Where is the raw milk on this list? Nick linked to Bree and Camembert. No, Bree and Camembert and Where is the raw milk on this list? Where is it?

Starting point is 00:33:57 It's not there. Here's one the outbreak of Listeria infections linked to hard-boiled eggs Yeah, it's not there it's not there It's not on this and that that is the CDC page they're referring to. That's what they're referring to here. Yeah. As a side note. So what is the hang up? You know, Mimi, I said it on the last show, Mimi claims it's because it required the kinds of inspections the raw milk dairies require and what they have to do.

Starting point is 00:34:24 It's too much work for the USDA, the CDC and everybody else require and what they have to do is too much work for the USDA, the CDC and everybody else. They don't want to do it. They just don't want to do it. So they just assume you boil everything and send it out to the public and screw the public if even they want to drink raw milk because it's probably healthier or it's claimed to be because it's got more enzymes and everything natural. Back when, so I got a boots on the ground from

Starting point is 00:34:45 producer Crystal and she said, you know, we were very poor for a while and I was able to get some food and some WIC food program money, that's the women, infant and children. So it's a poverty program like food stamps here in Texas and the government supplemental food program for low income families. So they weren't poor enough for food stamps but they were poor enough to get the WIC. So the only high protein they were allowed to get was the only meat, here it is, the only meat you were allowed to get was canned fish. Tuna. Yeah. Everything was high in sugar. We also had so much juice and frozen juice, we didn't use it because I couldn't imagine giving my child juice at every meal. So their firstborn was basically

Starting point is 00:35:38 a vegetarian, but then became zinc deficient, underweight. Of course, WIC gave some PD-Assure. And then my son started having 40 minute tantrums. He was absent, like absent-minded. His blood sugar was spiking from the PD-Assure. So finally, they got to a better place financially. We were very happy. And she says, I started putting the kids on grass-fed meat, raw milk, pasture-raised eggs, and we've never had a problem since.

Starting point is 00:36:08 The kids look beautiful. So there you go. It's the op- whenever the government says something, run the opposite way. Run the other direction. Uh, they want us, they either want us dead. I don't know what their problem is, what the problem with these agencies. They're corrupted. Yes.

Starting point is 00:36:27 They've been captured by various industries and they're just corrupted. There's nothing, there's no two ways about it. Yes. And this milk thing is ridiculous. So, but let's go on with these clips. No, no, but your point, let's just stick a pin in that. They're corrupted because they are all for industry. They're not for your health.

Starting point is 00:36:44 CDC is not for your health. They are for industry. They're not for your health. CDC is not for your health. They are for industry. Remember COVID? And are people who drink raw milk actually taking this advice? Laugh-tell. It doesn't seem like it also. Okay.

Starting point is 00:36:56 We reached out to a few. But I do, I sit at home, I drink my pasteurized milk. It doesn't seem like it also. Okay. We reached out to a few raw milk groups and they say that the customers have been asking a lot of questions, but demand seems to be holding steady. How popular is raw milk anyway? I don't think I have ever tasted it.

Starting point is 00:37:16 She's never tasted raw milk, this woman, and she's a reporter and she's reporting on this story. Isn't it something like you'd want to do that? I mean, we've reported on Adderall. Why? Because I've tried it. Vyvanse, tried it. Tried everything. I mean, we want to know about LSD.

Starting point is 00:37:33 We go to John C. Dvorak. We've all tried it. We're real reporters. I've never had raw milk. I'm afraid. Is raw milk anyway? Like, I don't think I have ever tasted it. Yeah, well, there's not actually

Starting point is 00:37:46 Stop stop at the laugh. She doesn't think she's ever tasted it Does she not even know what she's up to on a day-to-day basis and she's drinking stuff? Anyway, like I don't think I have ever tasted it. Yeah Well, there's not actually a lot of raw milk drinkers, less than 2% of the adult population in the US according to an FDA study from a couple of years ago. You know what it is? Six million people. These women, they drink soy milk and nut sap.

Starting point is 00:38:19 That's why. They drink nut sap. Yeah. Almond milk. That's the popular one. But the ones who do drink it are very passionate about it and they usually fall into two camps. So there's the- Trump voters?

Starting point is 00:38:30 Original raw milk supporters who've been around for decades. They've long wanted access to local healthy food. And more recently- Who wants that? The raw milk movement has picked up people that want less government regulation, food freedom. So- Food freedom! People who've watched this industry for a long time say that this food freedom was boosted by COVID when distrust of the government and government scientists really grew.

Starting point is 00:38:51 Dr. Justin Marchegiani Ah, there it is. Food freedom. They must be Republicans. Food freedom. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Distrust of the science. Dr. Justin Marchegiani No, imagine that. Food freedom. And I'm looking at the trolls and the trolls have good points as always. But, you know, just to think that the government wants to kill you and weaken your immune system, if only it were that easy. What John said is correct. They are captured. They are working for industry.

Starting point is 00:39:20 Industry says we can't have this. We need to sell our pasteurized milk, our nutsat products. These are big lobbies. So that's why they get these reports put out and they're clearly feeding the news media. Wait until you hear my CBS clips. And by the way, I want to mention this is about a 15 minute report blasting raw milk. I just chipped out about five, six minutes of it. You have chipped well, my friend.

Starting point is 00:39:48 I'm chipping away. What about testing? That was what, clip four? Yeah, we're on five. Or are you still on clip four? No, we're on five now. We're on five. Ready?

Starting point is 00:39:55 What about testing? I mean, it sounds like there's all this fear and people are saying, no, that's a speculation. But it seems like knowing whether there is actually the virus inside the raw milk supply would help clear this up. So Kiara, what do we know about this thing? Why does she keep laughing about it? I don't know. It's weird.

Starting point is 00:40:14 These people, these Republicans, these Trump voters, they're drinking bird flu virus. You're right, Elsa. It would really help to know if and how much virus is out there in the raw milk supply being sold now to people. How much virus is being sold to people? Wow. NPR needs to be shut down. It does need to be shut down. It would kind of hurt our show, but it needs to be shut down. But testing doesn't seem to be happening regularly and that data is really hard to come by. That's why we tried to find our own.

Starting point is 00:40:50 But when I brought raw milk that I bought from those four Texas farms to one of the few labs authorized by the USDA to test milk for bird flu, the lab insisted on calling each of the four farms first for permission, though the USDA has confirmed the agency doesn't require permission from farms to perform the test. None of the farms gave the lab permission to run the tests. They told the lab they were aware of what a non-negative result would do for their business, so the lab refused to test our samples. Oh, that's suspicious. A non-negative test that could be bad for us.

Starting point is 00:41:28 Oh, we don't want... Okay, now I, as a lab rat in my younger days, I don't believe this. That they wouldn't test it? I don't believe it either. I think the farms, the ranchers don't want to test it. Like, get off my ranch. But so you go to the supposed USDA approved. So what? Go to a different lab.

Starting point is 00:41:51 There are labs that can test for this. Abbott Labs. Abbott Labs. I was thinking about this, what was going on here. And they said her excuses, well, you know, they couldn't do it. She's a reporter working for NPR. She has a budget. They went to the lab.

Starting point is 00:42:07 This is my guess. Okay. They went to the lab and they said, yeah, we can test for this. It's going to cost you $1,500 a test or $2,500. These are not going to be a cheap test to test for bird flu in raw milk from an official lab that gets government money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to say, yeah, here's, it's going to cost you 6,500 bucks to do these tests or more or more. And she says, oh, I haven't got a budget for that. They only gave me $500.

Starting point is 00:42:39 And they say, well, we can't help you. Because advertising, underwriting, whatever you want to call it, is down. It's down. So we don't have the money for it. Yes. So she comes up with this co*ck and bull story to get out of the fact that she didn't have the cash or they didn't have the resources to do these tests. Well, no, the standard test of 25 cycles PCR, that's 500 bucks, but you really want the

Starting point is 00:43:03 45 cycle, don't you? Yeah, that's gonna cost you extra Well, it's even beyond that because they have to be equipped it just It's it's not like testing for sodium in in a in cereal. It's not like a potassium test It's not like a simple test bird flu virus This is an expensive test no matter how you're gonna look at it. So she just dropped the ball on this and they weren't with you. They couldn't you know the way you would have done it if you'd done it right.

Starting point is 00:43:32 So well you know you got a lab. Would you like some free publicity for this lab? You know we'll give you a big write-up and we'll get to promote you and if you just do the damn test for free. Hey it's good for your exposure. It's good for your brand. it's good for your exposure. It's good for your brand. It's good for your brand. It's good for your brand if we do that. So she doesn't get the test done and the whole thing falls through. So the whole reason for this report,

Starting point is 00:43:54 which began, if you listen to the beginning, was to grab some raw milk from those Texas- Test it, test it. Mayor Dwells and test it. And she couldn't get that job done. So this continues on with a little discussion. And then it ends with this clip, which is the eye roller clip that just is like,

Starting point is 00:44:10 okay, let's just make stuff up and try to frighten the public. If drinking milk with the virus is an easy way for people to get infected and there are other worries. Like what, Kiara? Like what, Kiara? Like what, Kiara? Like what, Kiara? You got to have the rustle of the paper as she turns the page on the script. Like what,

Starting point is 00:44:30 Kiara? And there are other worries. Like what, Kiara? So the worry is that if influenza viruses from two different species, like a human and a bird species, infect one person at the same time, a new kind of virus could be created that would be more contagious in people. That could lead to a pandemic. The more animals the flu spreads to and the more people it spreads to, the greater the chances that that could happen.

Starting point is 00:44:57 That's why even though the official assessment is at the risk to the public is low, federal health officials are urging people to be cautious and not drink raw milk. So we're back to the wet market in Wuhan. Is that what this is basically? the public is low. Federal health officials are urging people to be cautious and not drink raw milk. So we're back to the wet market in Wuhan. Is that what this is basically? But are they trying to remind us

Starting point is 00:45:11 that that actually happened somehow? That you eat the infected animal and then you get the pathogen? Because that's what it sounds like they're trying to do. They don't know what, this is a flailing. This is a terrible report. And all it is is don't know what they're, this is a flailing, this is a terrible report and all it is is don't drink raw milk and nobody who drinks raw milk is going to listen to them because they usually have a trusted dairy that they just, you're not randomly drinking it and

Starting point is 00:45:37 you're just drinking it from one source usually that you can trust and there's only a few of them and because there's too much work to make the stuff, to be honest about it. And, and they're just trying to dissuade everyone. It, this is a piss poor job of promo and this is going to continue. I don't know what they're doing. They're going, getting nowhere with this. No, no, they are not. No, they have a new tactic and that's, uh, we will witness that in the clips from CBS

Starting point is 00:46:05 But I want to take a little detour It's almost like an entre man or no. What's that? What's in the in the middle of the meal? What do you call that a possible to enter month? Oh, that's the entre month. Oh the entre manas before you eat No, no, no, that's the aperitif. Oh, I'm oh, yes. I'm sorry the entre man a little entre man from Bitcoin Bobby who was interrogated by Ben Shapiro, fast talking, fastest six gun in the West, Ben Shapiro. And he turned it into a campaign ad. But it was quite good in this context because Bitcoin Bobby, the op, is telling us how to

Starting point is 00:46:43 drain the swamp of exactly this problem. Every single agency and the agencies are part of the executive branch. Are they not? Am I? Yes. Okay. So this is, they should be listening to the president. The president should be the one who is in charge of them.

Starting point is 00:47:01 And he explains in this clip, it's a 145 a little longer than I'd like but it's good he explains what the swamp is how it's captured why Trump couldn't drain it and then what he would do if he was president what do you do about the size and scope of the executive branch is completely unwieldy you have enormous numbers of people who are supposed experts in their particular fields how do you clean that out you do it one agency at a time. And I've sued almost all these agencies. I've sued NIH, CDC, FDA, EPA.

Starting point is 00:47:31 I've sued USDA multiple times. You know, they didn't start out corrupted. They started out idealistic. They started out models for the rest of the world. They started out serving the public interest. And they didn't always do that perfectly because bureaucracies make mistakes. But you can restore those cultures. You stop the profiteering. The FDA gets almost 50% of its budget from the pharmaceutical companies. Of course that's not gonna work.

Starting point is 00:47:56 NIH scientists should not be able to collect royalties. We have to stop the revolving doors that put corporate capture on steroids. In these agencies, there are individuals at high levels who have corrupted them. And I'm not just talking about these agencies that I've said, but also the CIA. I had dinner with Mike Pompeo about four months ago. And he said to me, and my one biggest regret in life is that I didn't clean up the CIA when I had a chance when I was running it. And he said virtually the entire upper echel line of that agency are made up of individuals who do not believe in the democratic institutions of the United States of America.

Starting point is 00:48:32 The upper edge lines are controlled by the military industrial complex and people who would do its bidding. When we sit on Santo, we got discovery documents that showed that the head of the pesticide division at EPA for over a decade Was taking his orders from the highest officials of Monsanto to make sure no study got done that would look at the links between Life-saving cancer I can tell you who those individuals are at CDC Colleen Boyle Frank DeStefano, I know the names because I've dealt with them. I know who has to be moved. President Trump wanted to do this. President Trump came in and say, I'm going to drain the swamp, but he didn't know how to do it. You have the

Starting point is 00:49:13 individuals who are capable of committing a civil disobedience that will turn off the lights somewhere, that will stop the sewage treatment plant, will flood the streets and that will embarrass the president. So they tiptoe around these agencies and they never do anything about it because they don't know how to do it. But I know how, I know exactly what to do. So there it is.

Starting point is 00:49:36 He spells it out very, very clearly and that mainly, they're terrorists, these agency people, because they'll turn out the lights, they'll let raw sewage seep in the streets, some blame it on the president. And they will. They will. So now we come to CBS, the CIA Broadcasting Systems. And they have, yes, they have raw milk on the radar, but really this is going to somewhere

Starting point is 00:50:01 else which I have uncovered. And we shall listen to a couple of these clips with America's other favorite doctor also not a veterinarian Dr. Celine Gounder. Wait isn't she the woman whose whose husband died from the vax? I think she is. Yes. Yes. Yeah I think so. Yeah so she should know better but okay. As bird flu spreads among cows in the U.s The CDC is planning to publicly post that second they start off with that premise Oh, yeah, there's not a cow in the u.s. That has bird flu or bird flu for bird flu Which are the your accent is interesting bird flu Bird flu by the way was amuse bouche is what I was thinking of before the meal.

Starting point is 00:50:46 Oh, the amuse bouche. Yes, amuse bouche. Yeah, that's a little, that is a tie-in for people out there. Here's how it goes. Here's how it goes. Chef has prepared something special for you. It's usually a spoon with a gob of goo on it, and say here and then they explain what it is and you go oh it's a spoon with a gob of goo and and like a nut like a like a like a little like like a pistachio on top of the gob of goo a mousse goo we have an you. And then they bring it out and they talk about it. I was at this dinner at Charlie Trotter's once. Wait, who's Charlie Trotter? Charlie Trotter is one of the greatest chefs

Starting point is 00:51:32 the United States ever saw, but he died recently from something or other. Oh, I'm sorry. But he, I went to his, you know, I've met the guy before cause he was on the West coast doing some something that I was at, but he, I went to, I always wanted to go to his restaurant. It was one of the best, it was the top restaurant in Chicago at the time.

Starting point is 00:51:49 So I go out there, I'm having dinner with my publisher and we're talking, trying to talk about business and this joker just keeps coming over. He says, Oh, Mr. Trotter would like you. Oh, Mr. Trotter, Mr. Trotter. And I said, by the third time he said, you know, we don't give a sh*t about Mr. Trotter. Go back and let us talk. It's also not an hors d'oeuvre, Ned. That's something different.

Starting point is 00:52:13 By the way, Tina showed me- Hors d'oeuvres are outside of the meal. Tina, this French, Tina showed me something on Instagram. One of our friends, she posted, we have haricot verre, our first crop. It's called green beans. All right, back to the bird flu. As bird flu spreads among cows in the US.

Starting point is 00:52:36 The premise you're right is just it's so misleading. CDC is planning to. Premises totally misleading. That is a right from the get go, this is a false report. It's fake news. It's fake news. It's fake news. I talk to ranches, ranches say, this is no bird flu. The CDC is planning to publicly post data on a specific influenza virus found in wastewater. Bird flu is a subtype of influenza A.

Starting point is 00:53:01 Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Bird flu is a subtype of Influenza A. Sounds like something I could catch. It's been reported in dozens of cows across nine states. There's also been at least two human cases. The agency says it has identified the virus at multiple wastewater sites. You may remember wastewater testing played a crucial role in detecting COVID-19 during the pandemic. Yeah, let's review. No, it didn't.

Starting point is 00:53:28 No, it did not. This is a lie. That's a lie. It did not. There was, it was sketchy at best. Everybody knew it. The company that was doing the wastewater testing went out of business. Somehow Google got some of this business.

Starting point is 00:53:41 We have wastewater aficionados in our producing audience. Yes, we do, quite a few. And you know, and they're all, it's all using PCR and you can do whatever you want. Spin it up, oh, there's AIDS in the water. Oh, oh, there's, there's cholera. Oh, what, it's all there. The world exists of everything. So we have two to three lies already on the CBS report right from the get-go. We haven't even gotten to the juice yet. Dr. Celine Gounder, CBS News medical contributor and editor at large for public health at KFF

Starting point is 00:54:13 joins me now. So, doctor, what does it mean that they're doing this kind of testing? Are they being extra careful because they learned something from COVID about early detection or is there something particular going on here? Well, so this is a new tool that we have to help monitor. No, I thought it was in use during COVID. You can't even get your own story straight. Now it's a new tool. It's not an accurate tool. By the way, we predicted they would do this. We would predict they would be right down to the house

Starting point is 00:54:40 and they'd be like, okay, someone's pooping bird flu in there. Lock them up. Lock them in, lock them in. This is a new tool that we have to help monitor infectious disease outbreaks. It's not the only tool and there are some limitations here. COVID was really just an infection of people, at least in the United States, with the bird flu, as the name implies, it's not just humans, right? So you have birds who are infected, cows who are infected. Hold on, she just reversed the whole thesis. It's not just humans. It's not just humans. What? Yeah. You know, this is, I believe this is John Dickerson that's giving this report by his

Starting point is 00:55:15 voice. I'm not sure. He should be ashamed of himself. He's one of the top producer, writer, reporters at CBS. But you have to understand, fake news makes all the money. Real news makes no money. Case in point, this podcast. COVID was really just an infection of people,

Starting point is 00:55:31 at least in the United States, with the bird flu, as the name implies, it's not just humans, right? So you have birds who are infected, cows who are infected. And so you have to look at what the wastewater is really telling you, because the waste could be coming from domesticated animals, wild animals, milk being dumped into the wastewater, humans.

Starting point is 00:55:50 And in rural areas, you have septic systems. So it may not even be picking up some of the waste there. Oh, wow. Okay. So it's in the septic system. Well, you have a septic system and it's not going into the wastewater. How about that? Yeah, we need to test your septic system.

Starting point is 00:56:04 In rural areas where those hicks live, involve Trump. I need to stick my dipstick into your septic tank. Be my guest. Okay, we continue. So now 70, I understand dairy farm workers are being monitored. Does that mean they're being monitored just to see if something happens or what's the status of those? Yeah, okay. 70 or somewhere, some rancher went, okay, all right, you know, you can stick the cotton swab and let's see if we got bird flu. So these are people who've been exposed, right? Exposed.

Starting point is 00:56:40 Right. Exposed. So as they get exposed. Oh, wait for it. These are people who've been exposed, right, to the animals that have had H5N1 infection. And so then the question is, have they or are they developing symptoms? Some of the common symptoms we know of are conjunctivitis, this pink eye. You got to stop it again. Here it is, the symptoms.

Starting point is 00:57:01 Yeah, conjunctivitis. A pink eye. She says these are animals, cows, that have been infected. Yes, infected. What evidence do we have that one cow, even one cow has been infected? Are you questioning the CBS, the Tiffany Networks news dissemination? I just want to know what cow or herd has been infected. They have some traces of bird flu in the milk. In the milk, yes.

Starting point is 00:57:30 But that doesn't mean the cow is infected. It doesn't mean anything. No. And the ranchers won't even let them onto their property. So they're... I don't blame them. I think they should shoot them. Amen.

Starting point is 00:57:40 Animals that have had H5N1 infection. And so then the question is, have they or are they developing symptoms? Some of the common symptoms we know of are conjunctivitis, this pink eye. Oh no, pink eye. Wow, you can get pink eye from wiping wrong and not washing your hands. I mean, come on.

Starting point is 00:57:59 Which was in the Texas case that was recently reported. Oh, we, oh, do do do do, breaking news breaking news. We have a rancher with pink eye, a rancher with pink eye. Oh no, not a rancher with pink eye. That is possibly any rancher who doesn't get his foot half trampled or, you know, it's a very dangerous work, but oh pink eye. Oh yes, stop the presses. Which was in the Texas case that was recently reported. We are hearing many reports of other dairy farm workers with similar symptoms. They haven't all been tested. So we are waiting for a bit more information on some of those cases as well. And I'd love to know about the test because I'm pretty sure the test is another PCR bullcrap thing. PCR should not be used to diagnose any

Starting point is 00:58:41 pathogen ever for any reason, according to the inventor, Kerry Mullins, of the PCR test. And how would they get it if they tested positive? Oh, how do you get it? Are you ready, Jim? Well, this is a great question. Oh, it's a great question. Oh, it's a great question.

Starting point is 00:58:57 And how would they get it if they tested positive? Well, this is a great question, and this is why we need more data. You know, wastewater is not going to be able to answer all of the kinds of questions we have. We need more data, Jim. Some of what needs to be done is testing of the farm workers, figuring out how they were exposed. So was it through handling of milk or milking equipment?

Starting point is 00:59:17 Is it maybe aerosolization of the milk or virus into the air? So you're getting into your eyes that way. Is it breathing it in? We don't entirely know for sure which of those is the cause. It could be all of them. No, we know nothing. But now, they're going to take a little sidestep back to your, let's not drink raw milk, because it is so bad, they have a descriptor for it, which is just fascinating. Now, raw milk again, you probably still regularly drink raw milk, raw milk, don't you? I think you're a raw milk drinker.

Starting point is 00:59:51 On a regular basis. Do you get it from Ben Honner farm? We have a dairy in Washington state that is very nuts. Guys run by a crackpot. There's also a raw milk dairy. He's a crackpot. Believe me. He's like a clean freak. It's like unbelievable. There is a raw milk dairy that in California, which actually, I can't remember the name of them. I have it every so often. It's better tasting than the

Starting point is 01:00:20 Washington stuff is really good. This is probably like, well, like you had now you're not telling me that you transport this across state lines do you? Yeah. Oh no. Mimi could get arrested if she does that. No it's not a bug. So it's... And by the way they closed the inspection stations.

Starting point is 01:00:39 Oh they did? On the highway? Yeah she's always complaining about you you know, you go through it. She wants to be inspected? Okay. Yeah, of course. She's a woman. Oh, she listens to the show. Careful. Alright.

Starting point is 01:00:56 Let's hear how bad this rock, which I love, as I said, what the Meat Mafia boys brought to my house, nice big jug of it, was, it was like, I'm like, oh my god, this is like eggnog. It's so good, so tasty. And does it matter whether it's pre or post-pasteurized? Yes. So pasteurized milk. Because it's funny for some reason. Why is that funny? I don't know, John. This is because the word pasteurized, it tickled her ears.

Starting point is 01:01:24 I don't know John this because the word pasteurized it tickled her ears So pasteurized milk really does a very good job of killing bacteria and viruses This is why Louis Pasteur back in the 1800s came up with pasteurization because back then that's a lie But I looked it up Louis Pasteur Came up with pasteurization to pasteurize wine, as far as I can find out. You might know more about that than I do. Oh, I never thought about looking into this. Yeah, it was not. I was doing some research and one of our producers sent me a note saying

Starting point is 01:01:54 Marie Antoinette never said, let them eat bread. Cake. Or let them eat cake. She said, what did she say? She never said it. It was a lie? It was the mainstream media of the time that attributed it to her when it can be documented.

Starting point is 01:02:10 That was said by another famous woman in France when Marie Antoinette was nine years old, they can document it. And it was never Marie Antoinette. She was falsely accused of saying this by the mainstream media and their head got chopped off. Thank you to M5M. So they, wait a minute. Do you, oh no. I'll get this, I'll get this link and you can put in the show notes.

Starting point is 01:02:36 It's a good story. This, this is troubling to me. So, so the M5M lied about her, lied and then... And her head is gone. They chopped her head off. That's what you were doing. Lining up the clip. It took me a second. It took you a little longer than normal.

Starting point is 01:02:55 So is Cuba Libre also not true? You know what the story behind Cuba Libre is? I forgot what that... So the Cuba Libre is the glass that they put the ice cream in. That's that coup, that coupe, that nice little rounded glass. Supposedly, that was exactly Marie Antoinette's breast size. I could be wrong. I'm sure that's bogus too.

Starting point is 01:03:19 It could be wrong. I could be wrong. All right. Back to a descriptor for raw milk. Remember, Louis Pasteur did not invent this to pasteurize milk because those people were drinking raw milk and they loved it. Bacteria and viruses. This is why Louis Pasteur back in the 1800s came up with pasteurization because back then people would get sick. Raw milk, think of it as raw sewage.

Starting point is 01:03:41 It's heavily people. Raw milk, think of it as raw sewage. It's heavily people. Wow! Raw milk? Think of it as raw sewage. You're drinking sewage. So the natural exudation from a mammal milk, which women deliver too, I might add, is raw. The sewage. It's raw sewage to her. Raw sewage. Well, that's a fabulous report. It's raw sewage. Raw sewage. Oh, that's a fabulous report. It's not done.

Starting point is 01:04:06 Raw milk, think of it as raw sewage. It's heavily fecal contaminated. Think about, you know, where the cows, you know, their feces are. Well, hold on a second. Now she thinks that the cows poop out of their udders or does she think the milk comes out of the anus? What is she saying to me here? That's what she's saying, one of the two.

Starting point is 01:04:25 Think about where... She says it says, it's contaminated with fecal material. Yes, well, the udders are nowhere near the fecal material. Saline, Dr. Saline, is she confused with a... What is she confused by? This is very odd. A chicken and an egg, an egg has a vent and it poops and the egg comes out of the same poop hole. What is that? The clava? The color? It's a ventive sign. Ectoclava, Cousteclava. People would get sick. Raw milk, think of it as raw sewage.

Starting point is 01:04:55 It's heavily fecal contaminated. Think about, you know, where the cows, you know, their feces are. You know, this is not clean. You really want to be drinking pasteurized milk. It's not clean. The udders are super clean. And I'm going to admit, no, I'm really not going near any pasteurized, unpasteurized milk. So he's so grossed out and so ignorant that he's like, oh man, oh, those udders are dirty. They're filled with poop. These people. Wow. This is an undisputed. You getting clip of the day for this baby? No, this clip of the day is for the clip custodian.

Starting point is 01:05:42 It's not for me. Oh my God. For me. Yeah. the Clip Custodian's on it, man. And this is CBS. How concerned should the regular person watching here who hasn't been on a farm recently be? If you haven't been on a farm recently, go out, go to a farm, shake your rancher's hand, learn about where the udder is. So if you're not having direct contact with poultry or dairy cattle, those are the two types of animals that have been infected in the United States. If you're not drinking unpasteurized milk or raw milk, your risk as a member of the general public

Starting point is 01:06:16 is pretty low right now. What we're concerned about is if this- Pretty low, wait a minute. It's not zero? It's pretty low. It's just pretty low? Pretty low, pretty low. No, that's the percentage, your favorite. Your favorite percentage is pretty low. It's just pretty low. Pretty low, pretty low. No, that's a percentage.

Starting point is 01:06:25 Your favorite, your favorite percentage. It's pretty low. It's low. Pretty low right now. What we're concerned about is if this continues to replicate and mutate and evolve, whether it's in mammals or humans like dairy farm workers, that's when there's a risk of it evolving and adapting to humans and person to person spread.

Starting point is 01:06:46 Ah, back to the wet market. And it jumps. And that's what we- What if she says devolve, which doesn't make sense. No, but it devolve, and then he says, oh, it jumps. It jumps. This is the wet market story that we were supposed to keep believing, but Fauci covered it up wrong.

Starting point is 01:06:59 And so we figured it out and like, huh, lab, okay. But no, wet market is, we're back to wet markets now. That's when there's a risk of it evolving and adapting to humans and person to person spread. And it jumps. And that's what we worry about. That's what can cause a pandemic. So it may not be today. Oh, Pangolin. But say within the next 10 years, if we allow this kind of thing to keep going, that's what we're worried about. And by then it's too late if you haven't learned how to. Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much for being here. It's always a pleasure.

Starting point is 01:07:27 How to, how to, how to, I don't know, if you haven't learned how to, just learned how to. If you haven't learned how to and then he stops. Yes, yes, how to lie, how to lie for your, for a living. So a couple of articles I have here. First of all, here's the headline. There's bird flu in U.S. dairy cows. Here's the headline. There's bird flu in US dairy cows. Raw milk drinkers aren't deterred. Since March 25th, when the bird flu virus was confirmed in US cattle, that's lactating mammals, for the first time, weekly sales of raw cow's milk have ticked up 21%.

Starting point is 01:08:01 Oh, no. Get it while you can. According to Nielsen IQ. That could be the reason that Mimi says she would went to the other day when the story started to break. She went to sunny farms, which is the store that carries. And you can go to the dairy and just buy it there, but you can buy it from the store and she, there's all gone. All the raw milk was sold out.

Starting point is 01:08:23 You know why? Cause people like, Oh, they're coming for our raw milk. Let's go buy it. We want it. We want as much as we can get because we're healthy human beings. We're healthy human beings. And while it seems like they all want us dead, they don't. It's just all capture. I'm sure this whole report was sponsored by, you know, by the nut sap industry. Anyway, there is... Nut sap is the big. Anyway, there is something else happening here. And it comes under the recently announced climate smart commodities program. The USDA, it's the same people, same people here who are saying, you can't have your raw milk, have appropriated 3.1 billion dollars to 145 new private climate smart projects, ranging from carbon sequestration to climate smart meat. Are you following me here?

Starting point is 01:09:27 this is this is what they're doing and so these ranchers these farmers there's a whole dashboard by state if you want by state of Projects each one is yours 3 million here 4 million there Climate smart scaling mechanisms for regenerative farming. You want money? You want money? You just go to this dashboard. Here, let's see what I can get in Texas. I can get farmers guiding farmers towards climate smart agriculture. Oh, this is good. This is for black and indigenous producers.

Starting point is 01:10:08 A lot of universities grabbing this money here. 5 million for Florida A&M for National Black Food and Justice Alliance. Are you kidding me now? Climate resilience for the farm and market development, economically viable low carbon and climate smart practices for soybean farming. This is part of the climate, the global climate change scam and they're buying everybody off and what eventually happens is the small producers the small producers have no chance. They're just left with no chance. They're they're taken down into

Starting point is 01:10:47 Complete oblivion. There's no market access for people who want these products And so now we have to go out and stand guard at Kohl's farm so in case the the FDA USDA and CDC want to come and test him and his cows and then I got this note from Captain Ben. He says, you know, you've been doing a great job enlightening us about what's going on in the beef and dairy industry. I see some very interesting coincidences

Starting point is 01:11:15 in the Gulf of Mexico commercial reef fishery that are similar to the cattle industry. So he's talking reef fish include grouper, snapper, tilefish, et etc. In the last 25 years, the National Marine Fisheries Service has become more and more restrictive in the participation and regulation of the fisheries. He says, my theory is the same thing, they're collapsing the reef fishery industry so the small time players will just get out and only a few large corporations own and control the whole thing.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Yeah, he says that if you look at the the reality show ice-cold catch He says you'll see a large portion of the North Atlantic Cod is owned and caught by two large long-line boats that are owned by corporations on the other hand fellow commercial fishermen say oh, oh, the regulations are being imposed so that it'll all be imported. This is the same thing. Industry, they control so much

Starting point is 01:12:13 with the captured regulatory agencies. And you work at the USDA or the FDA, and then you're done working there, you've done your job, you've helped out the nut sap industry You've helped out the salmon farms and then you leave and then you go take a million dollar job over there This is what needs to stop And it's all under the climate change climate change And that's where we are where we're at. Climate change is the bane of our existence.

Starting point is 01:12:49 Even Jordan Peterson, we don't play enough Jordan Peterson mainly because the jackets hurt my eyes. Stop with the jackets Jordan, they're ridiculous. They're going on with those jackets. The jackets are ridiculous. They're not a statement, they're creepy. It's almost as creepy as King Charles' portrait. Who got him into doing that because it's like it is a couple of ex basketball players that wear this kind of outfit. You know, Bill Cosby had sweaters. Remember that?

Starting point is 01:13:19 He always had sweaters. It was actually a Dutch lady who made those sweaters for him. They were lame. He was like, oh, look at my sweaters. And what happened to you, Bill Cosby? Look at where the sweaters got you. That's got nothing to do with it. No, it has nothing to do with it, but I like it. I like it.

Starting point is 01:13:38 So now Jordan Peterson, of course, says that this is a huge scam. And here's a little clip of him talking about it. This is particularly about the carbon dioxide, not carbon, not stuff that comes out of... By the way, stuff that comes out of the exhaust of your car is carbon monoxide. Am I correct? No, there's a lot of carbon dioxide comes off. Well, we need more. We're essentially in a carbon... I'm sorry?

Starting point is 01:14:03 I'm going to say, yeah, carbon monoxide does come out of the tailpipe. That's what kills you. And also various nitrogen oxides, even though most of those are taken up by the catalytic converter. Catalytic converter, exactly. No, no, no, no, we need more carbon dioxide, twice as much as we have today. We're essentially in a carbon dioxide drought by historical standards. So if you look at the proportion of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere over the last number

Starting point is 01:14:31 of hundreds of millions of years, like a pretty whopping timeframe, we're at a very, very low level. We dropped to about 350 parts per million by say 1850 something like that. Plants start to die at 250. Right, because they need carbon dioxide. So we were almost at the point where the plants were going to start to die. That's how low the carbon dioxide levels are. Now they have been increasing. Why? Well, some of that's probably man-made. You know, that's not exactly settled, but we could give the devil his due and say some of that's man-made. Okay, so now we're up to something in the low 400s,

Starting point is 01:15:14 and that's been increasing, and perhaps because of industrial output. So what's been the major consequence? The major consequence is that the planet is 20% greener than it was in the year 2000. 20%! This is NASA data. No one disputes this, by the way. The satellite imagery is absolutely clear. 20% greener. An area the size of the continental US has greened since the year 2000. So the whole planet is 20% greener. That's a big effect. Crops yield, crop yield has gone up 13%. Right, okay.

Starting point is 01:15:55 Where's the planet getting greener? Because you heard climate, global warming, the deserts are going to grow. Well, then it wasn't global warming because that turned out to be a scam. Then it was climate change. The deserts are going to grow. It's like no the deserts are shrinking. The deserts are shrinking because the planet is greening because there's more carbon dioxide. Now I liked what he said here because it comes right back around to the agencies. If you have a deficiency of carbon dioxide, of course we need Monsanto and glyphosate and all these things to improve your crop yield.

Starting point is 01:16:29 We can't have that happening naturally by more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. No, that means we start to lose money. This is the scam. This is the scam. What? Yeah, yeah, you start to lose money. Yeah, that's what it's all about. Who cares if it turns the frogs gay?

Starting point is 01:16:49 And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage, say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the code for comrades, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. John C. DeVorent! Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Abrupt. Also in the morning all you Mr. Abrupt. Also in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room I am getting ready to count you. Choke out.

Starting point is 01:17:17 They scurried off. Yeah, I'm keeping us on the schedule man. It's 1 17. We're into the show. It's time You know, it's time for it was a natural break a natural break as well. It was an unnatural break It was a very natural break. I think it was perfect. Perfect Perfect natural break. I've counted the trolls. We have 1820 trolls with us today That is down from our last thursday show. We had

Starting point is 01:17:44 1943 20 trolls with us today that is down from our last Thursday show. We had 1943. So we've lost some along the way, no doubt because they drank raw milk and are now dying. They have pink eyes. They're dead. We got dead trolls. If you want to be a troll and the trolls have actually been quite good today. They've been posting stuff in French and laughing along and everyone agrees on this stuff. I mean, you can't get them to agree on Israel and the Jews running the world, but when it comes to milk, everyone's in agreement.

Starting point is 01:18:12 That's beautiful. If you want to be a troll, go to trollroom.io. You can listen to our show live on Thursdays and on Sundays. We do it live, which by the way, is probably the biggest problem with podcasts today, is most of these podcasts are not done live. People take all the soul out of them by recording them and taking out all the uhs. And editing the crap out of them.

Starting point is 01:18:34 And the uhs and the mms and uh, and speeding it up a little and chopping out silences because, oh, people got no time. No, we are just pure and raw. We are the raw milk of podcasts. we are the raw milk of podcast. That's exactly what we are. The raw milk of podcast and it's good for you. No pink eye here. Spotify. You listen to Spotify, that'll give you a pink eye. So you go to trollroom.io or you use a modern podcast app. This is another thing where we are

Starting point is 01:19:02 forging the future, making sure that you can't, you know, do you think that you could, by the way, do you see that Spotify got a notice from, from the whole music association industries saying, I'm sorry, what, what Spotify got a notice from the, oh, okay, from the, from the, from all the associate, the, the copyright holding associations of music saying check this out You are hosting music that is not licensed in podcasts Hmm So they didn't say which ones but they say you have to remove them immediately

Starting point is 01:19:37 So now Spotify is gonna go and start I guess with AI Seeing if there's any music in your podcast Even if you've licensed it, even if it's value for value music, and they're gonna start dropping you, your podcast will be dropped. It's gone by who? By Spotify. They'll kick it off their platform because they're gonna get sued. Who wants to be on their platform anyway? Well, we're not on it, but people are stupid. They don't listen to the Podfather. I said, you don't want to be on Spotify. Rogan got his first 300 million from Spotify by not being on Spotify.

Starting point is 01:20:10 And then they said, well, come on, man, we'll pay you for it. And then he went on Spotify. Anyway, podcastapps.com. Get a modern podcast app, one that won't be deplatformed because the backend is podcastindex.org and that's being distributed So even even if we go away, no one will be able to take it away ever. We're fedifying it fedifying it Another thing we don't do is we don't take Native ads or any kind of you know any

Starting point is 01:20:39 commercials from any creepy corporations at all none never done it because that's another thing But you're talking to get you going against the grain here, man any creepy corporations at all. None, never done it because that's another thing. But you're talking to get you going against the grain here, man. You're talking about a competitor, man. You can't do that. No, no, no, no. It's all censorship.

Starting point is 01:20:53 Advertising is censorship. So we. Ooh, whoa. That's a new phrase and I like it. Oh. Advertising is censorship. You've never heard me say that? Have I not done that?

Starting point is 01:21:05 No, I don't remember you saying it. I would have picked it up because it would go right in the newsletter. Okay. And on hoodies over at noagendashop.com. I'm telling you boys, you got to get on the stick here. We need to promote them more. Noagendashop.com. We got hoodies.

Starting point is 01:21:20 We got t-shirts. We got hats. We got koozies. All kinds of groovy stuff. Noagendashop.com. hoodies, we got t-shirts, we got hats, we got koozies, all kinds of groovy stuff. Noagendashop.com. No, instead we have adopted for 16 years now, I think, yeah, about 16 years, maybe a little more,

Starting point is 01:21:34 the value for value model. We probably didn't start calling it value for value until 14 years ago, and then that just stuck. And it's amazing how this concept is spreading far and wide. I actually have an M5M segment for after we talk about some of our executive and associate executive producers about how they are losing out, how it is crumbling, how it is all falling apart. No, we use value for value. The whole world is talking about value for value. Case in point, this is the Auf Augehörne Podcast Show. Auf Augehörne Podcast Show aus Deutschland.

Starting point is 01:22:13 Listen carefully. for services and goods. There is a lot of value for value. Fairdog also finances itself not on compulsion, but on value for value. That's right. And now you can switch to advertising, but mostly donations and volunteering. Volunteering. Voluntarily.

Starting point is 01:22:40 Value for value. You heard it? Even the Germans are in on it. Huh? There's no German translation for the phrase? No, man. It's like, no, value for value. No, man.

Starting point is 01:22:56 The way I see it, this is like an original phrase. It only has to be spoken in English. Value for value, uber alas, man. That's how we roll. So one enormous piece of value for value Uber, Alice man. That's how we roll. So one enormous piece of value for value and it's time, talent and treasure. And this whole show was built up of producers who contribute to the show, clip custodian, clip collector, Dave Ackerman, all these people who are helping us on that angle. But then we have void zero with technology keeping us running. We got the the art generator.

Starting point is 01:23:28 We've got the meetup servers. We've got the server Tim codes monkey people doing all of this. That's all valuable. And what our artists do as valuable as well. They go to know a general art generator.com. They upload art for us to choose from. So we have fresh funky fresh beautiful art every single show you see it pop up It looks great when we post about it looks great in newsletters and it also looks great over there no agenda shop calm

Starting point is 01:23:53 Now we're traditionalists. We like to do some on special days like Mother's Day. We like to have a Mother's Day presentation and There were several to choose from but Nessworks, Nessworks nailed it with the no agenda movie theater and as I looked at this art even because I talked about the movie the unsung hero which is a great Mother's Day movie hope you all took your mom to go see it as I looked he even put in the tasty pretzels that I had at the movie theater. Popcorn pretzels. There's two people. Now, we don't think it's a guy and his mom, but probably a guy and his bride

Starting point is 01:24:33 who was a mom, which is also fair game. Yeah, obviously, unless it's a perverted picture. Well, it's Neswerks. You never know. He is one of those great Dutch grandmasters. So we got to be careful. But we appreciate what Ness works did and we want to I just logged into the art generator See the artists do this on the fly live while we're doing the show so we can choose it right after we're done

Starting point is 01:24:56 I already see some funny stuff for for the show now Comics should mention by the way the one next to it mom on the burning Sun with the that wasn't was available to us What do you mean? Yes, we discussed it the solar flare mama. I Don't remember it. Yeah. Yeah, I said, how about that one and you said no I hate it. I That's not true. I'll tell you which one you said that about You did say that about one of them which one one? Which one that I said? No, no, no. It was another one you wanted. Well, Stormy Trump. That wasn't... No, he couldn't really come out. This one is the only real choice. I mean, ComiShirt Blogger posted

Starting point is 01:25:35 5,000 AI-generated buttons. It was Challenge Coin template. ComiShirt Blogger? No. It's just no. I don't get it. Doesn't he see it's not happy mama was creepy with the chocolates. What else was there? Was there anything else that was- Yeah. You know, this was the only piece that was really good that was usable. Tantamil did flowers. I mean, you do this Trump, Stormy Trump thing down there, where Douglas Harris did. And we say, you know, don't do stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:26:09 It's gruesome. No. And, you know, Bill Walsh tried to do like kind of a cheesecake. By the way, I think I have a picture of my mom who looked like that at the time with her apron on in the kitchen. She had that hair in like the 60s. You know, it's very Americana, but no, no, no, no, no. Was there anything else? I think that was it.

Starting point is 01:26:34 Tantanil did some flowers, which was always good. It's a Hail Mary, but it's a good one. By the way, Tantanil, another one of those great Dutch grandmasters. So she's coming to the meetup on June 15th, and she sent me a picture of the two of us from 30, almost 33 years ago. Wow! In 1992. She has the longest living crush on you of anyone.

Starting point is 01:27:00 She looks like she was 16, I think. That sounds right. right probably wasn't And and she says she has a scrapbook. Oh My gosh, you probably has an That's an altar a throne pictures of you all over it you mean a Shrine, I think it's right. I blew the joke up I'm very excited to see her scrapbook.

Starting point is 01:27:25 I hope she brings it. She's, no, I'm a grown ass woman. I'm not going to bring it. Yes, you are. You're bringing the scrapbook. We know you have it. Bring it. So thank you very much, NessWorks.

Starting point is 01:27:35 And thank you to all of our artists for all the work you always do. It is tremendously valuable to us and to the show. And we appreciate the work that all of you do. We're always going to be honest, though. We're always going to tell you exactly what we think and there you go. So, stop with the AI, Commentshirt Blogger. Now for the treasure portion, we'd love to give thanks to all of our producers. The whole beauty of Value for Values, you can give whatever you want, whatever

Starting point is 01:27:58 the show is worth to you. Five dollars may be a lot to you. By the way, if everyone gave five dollars, it's the pipe dream, but if everyone gave $5, these segments will be way shorter and we could just run through it. Do more segments. There'll be no segments. You're right, there'll be no segment. Instead, the balance always comes from the executive and associate executive producers.

Starting point is 01:28:17 We appreciate them very much. And we kick it off with Kieran and Hennessy, who's in Dublin, County Dublin, Ireland, $1,000 and Kieran says, Hi, hey, no jingles, no karma thanks. However, as this is my third, my third 1K payment, if you will accept that without accounting, I would like to claim the barony of Donnybrook. I'd say that is approved. Approved, approved, approved and thank you very much. Kieran, we appreciate it. We'll hit you up

Starting point is 01:28:53 later on with your official title change. That's the name Hennessy. Yes, say no more. Okay, well then we move on to Alan Finston in Blaine, Washington. And he sent a check in and a note. You know why, how you can tell us a note? Because it's on paper. Sounds like paper. The fourth whiff, he writes. Please find my second installment of 33333 for Fast Track the Nighthood. Nice.

Starting point is 01:29:22 I should be getting that ambassadorship to please any day. Oh. Asking for a birthday blessings for myself and as I approach 60 times around the sun, also asking for birthday blessings for my smoking hot wife and smart, he puts it right today.

Starting point is 01:29:38 After the fact, he wrote in smoking hot and smart. Wife Joni, 6'15 and my beautiful daughter Isabel 6'1 everybody. Wow. Yeah, tall. Tall. They're on the list I guess so. I thought they were just tall, but no, it's all birthdays. Okay. 6'1. 6'15. Currently residing in New York City, Brooklyn. She could go meet your stepdaughter. Yeah, go meetdaughter. Yeah. But don't hold that against her. Thanks for all you guys do to keep me sane. I'll be dropping my next donation in a few months. We hosted a meetup recently at our bistro, the Vault

Starting point is 01:30:12 Bistro and Wine Bar in beautiful Blaine, gateway to the USA where I can still see socialism from my deck. A good time was had by all. Still waiting for either of you guys to show up at our bistro where you will be treated like the OG gangsta kings that you are. Perfecting my roundtable requests. Stay tuned. Thank you for your courage and the best podcast in the universe and forward the best podcast in the universe and put that in there. Alan Finston in Blaine, Washington. Thank you, Alan. We move on to Dame Lisa from Foxboro, Massachusetts. Lots of casinos there, if I recall. Fox not be true. a bit miffed that you did not acknowledge my gift of ruffles all dressed chips last spring.

Starting point is 01:31:05 I believe this to not be true. I think we most definitely discussed the box of ruffles all dressed chips she sent. You said most definitely. I meant it 100 percent. However, she says I'm trying to let that go. Yes, it's called forgiveness. I think that we got the chips and they were so gross that we didn't want to make her embarrass her. I think you may be right. Ruffles, let me see. Ruffles all dressed chips. It was like, I believe there were a small bag of potato chips that had every imaginable spice and seasoning all thrown into one to make a mess. I believe that's to be true. I do believe. Yes, well I see we discussed Ruffles chips on episode 1064. Yeah, that was probably the... so we did discuss them, she didn't hear it.

Starting point is 01:32:01 I think we did. I'm pretty sure we did. Yes. Anyone. Anywho, I'm trying to let that go. I know you must get a lot of gifts and I'm more worried that you will find an exit strategy and leave me and my amygdala stranded. Well, that's yes. Keep up the good work. Dame Lisa of Amic Lake in Foxborough. Podcasters in residence is our latest scheme.

Starting point is 01:32:26 We'll probably get points on every deal. Points man. We'll get points. Oh yeah, we'll get some points on some deals. We'll get points on the deal. Podcasters in Residence. Yeah, we'll be rolling. Hey, hello VCs out there.

Starting point is 01:32:40 And we'll do great. So tell me about your latest AI play. So what's the TAM on your product? That's the total accessible market for those not in the know of VC speak. I impressed you with that, I can tell. Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. All right.

Starting point is 01:33:02 You're up. Oh, I am up with... sorry. Sir Pursuit. Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, another another note and paper. This is great. Please find and close my May donation of 333.33 of Adam, which I kindly chip in a penny. No, I've got one. Hold on. It's in that small pocket in my jeans. He will help me stay aligned with the universe. See accounting below. And he's got the accounting.

Starting point is 01:33:32 He's got 4333.3. He doesn't need a penny. But he got one. Sincerely, sure pursuit of peace and tranquility in the lands of the red clay and the cherry trees. He's got the accounting, but he doesn't say anything about wanting an upgrade. Well, he gets an upgrade. I think he gets an upgrade. He's got the accounting, but he doesn't say anything about winning an upgrade. Well, he gets an upgrade. I think he gets an upgrade.

Starting point is 01:33:47 He's on four. Well, he's Baron Plus. Isn't that a bike out or a Earl or something? He's on the list for something. Hold on a second. Title change. No, no, he didn't ask for anything. Well, he didn't ask for anything. Well, if he asked for something, we'll give it to him next. Of course, with great pleasure. And I will get the penny. With great pleasure. Mike Ellis is in Potsdam, PA, 333. ITM John and Adam, the pride of successfully hitting my uncle Jimmy Roe in the mouth, was

Starting point is 01:34:14 soon overshadowed by the shame of my douchebaggery being called out on the last show. The dirt won't come off. Perhaps a deducing might cleanse me of my shame. You've been deduced. I just keep taking from the best podcast in the universe without returning any treasure to the cause. Well, no more. Love is lit and love you guys.

Starting point is 01:34:38 Jingles, anything Rev Sharpton and yelling dog karma. R-E-S-P-I-C-T You thought Karma John of Jupiter in Centerville, Utah 23456 becomes the first associate executive producer. This donation brings me to knighthood. I've been part of the No Agenda community for 10 years to the day and it's made a double plus good difference in my life.

Starting point is 01:35:16 Thanks to Sir Sean of the Northern Everglades for hitting me in the mouth and keeping me honest. Thanks to my smoking hot wife, Jenny, for permission to become a knight for my joint birthday Father's Day present. Wow. That's nice. Very good for Jenny. She's one of the smart ones. She's one of the smart ones. Shout out to Grime America and to the producers of a similar line of work who publicly share the information I haven't.

Starting point is 01:35:47 Speaking of spooks, anyone else suspicious that Sparky the dimension dog and Phoebe haven't been seen in the same place? Please knight me Sir John of Jupiter, lover of Loxahatchee, and emissary to the Perpetual Pioneers. I would like some street meat and everglaze heat at the round table. I can get some Trump's job karma for inspiration and an Atlas Shrug since I'm still waiting on my invite to Galtz Gulch. And he's an associate executive producer and will be knighted today. By Ayn Rand. Jobs, jobs, jobs. You've got karma. There you go.

Starting point is 01:36:45 Steve Dimitrijevic. Dimitrijevic. Dimitrijevic. What do you think it is? Dimitrijevic? I want to say it fast. Dimitrijevic. Dimitrijevic.

Starting point is 01:36:53 Yes, I don't know. It seems like there's something else in there that anyway. Well, he sent it. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, he sent it. Steve sent in a note. He's in Kenosha, Wisconsin. And what was his donation amount?

Starting point is 01:37:01 He sent in a note. He sent in a note. He sent in a note. He sent in a note. He sent in a note. He sent in sent it. Steve sent in a note. He's in Kenosha, Wisconsin. And what was his donation amount here? He sent us a RoaDucks. RoaDucks. 222.22. Another one of our favorites. John Adam, thank you for your courage. I've been listening since Adam's first Rogan appearance. Rogan donation. Please credit this donation to my beautiful wife, Michelle. Oh, that's a switcheroo then. Switcheroo. Since giving up her

Starting point is 01:37:29 nursery, her nursing job due to jab refusal, good woman, she has given birth to our two beautiful HR daughters. HR? Oh, human resource daughters and started a tallow based skincare company I could not be more proud now watch out FDA is gonna come for you and we never had a fight with all the recent talk about banning beef and cattle shortages I knew it was time to donate for producers looking for a chemical free skincare go to purely

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Starting point is 01:38:37 Michelle... ...my bell. We have another Michelle. Michelle Cartmel. How about that coincidence? in Westbrook or West Bank? I'm sorry BC BC BC 210 60 hi John and Adam $200 USD is 285 Canadian dollar rats It's been a crazy year for sir Wow.

Starting point is 01:39:04 It's been a crazy year for Sir, uh, Adrian and I, we moved away from the overly expensive cost of living in the Okanagan Valley in BC wine growing area. I might add to Saskatoon, the Paris of Canada. It is sad. It's what they say. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Got to say, we love it here. This is a beautiful place and it's so much more like the Canadian we grew up in We are really enjoying the lower cost of living the practical people and the natural beauty of the area now We can afford to donate more often

Starting point is 01:39:36 Everybody should move to Saskatoon She didn't say that I did yeah, I like it No jingles this time just a moving karma as we finally move into our permanent place after living off the good graces of a friend for six months. That is a good friend. Thank you for your courage, Michelle. That's a great friend for sure. You've got karma.

Starting point is 01:39:58 And then we move over to Eli the Coffee Guy. I happen to be drinking a gigawatt. This is still the Costa Rican dotar Tarazoo Snap you. Yeah, I love that stuff, man I only drink it on show days by the way because otherwise Tina's like calm down Calm down. I want to credit this donation to Scott McKenzie. Okay, I will change that credit Ah, he is the author of the no agenda themed books. I have them all Yes, such as tales from Gitmo Nation and

Starting point is 01:40:26 co*ckroach Milk. We've been talking about this for so long, haven't we? We were talking about bugs in your food before Klaus Schwab was born. Producers who want a fun easy read laced with dark humor, check them out. Scott McKenzie, no agenda themed books. And whether you make your lattes with cows milk, nuts, app or co*ckroach milk, visit gigawattcofferoasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your first order. Stay caffeinated. Eli the Coffee Guy. They sent me some of the new Rwanda special edition.

Starting point is 01:41:00 Ah, have you tried it yet? No, I just finished the last grinding of the last, I'm just going in next. It's good stuff. I gotta say, and it's just a husband and wife who do this. Right? Yes, yeah, as far as I can tell. Stacey, Stacey, and they sent me a beautiful note with my cans. They said, I like the cans. I like the cans, man. I like the cans. Cans. I man. I like the cans cans. I get all jacked from the cans Well that brings us to Linda Lou Patkin another Contributor to the show a consistent one from Lakewood, Colorado

Starting point is 01:41:40 Who wants jobs karma? She comes out always with $200 every she says for a speedy a speedier? job search For a speedier job search, for a speedier job search, let me get my intonation correct, go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your resume, executive resume and job search needs, that's ImageMakersInc. or the K as in ink. Or find Linda Lepetkin,

Starting point is 01:41:58 the duch*ess of Jobs and Writer of Resumes on the producer list. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs. Let's vote for Jobs! resumes on the producer list. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yeah! You know, I saw that our resident racer, Ashlyn Speed, Speed Racer, who has been doing a dynamite job of promoting

Starting point is 01:42:19 Gigawatt Coffee and Image Makers Inc. So now she's signed with some sports management company. Oh good, good for her. That's what she needs. Well you know what's gonna happen? There go all the freebies. Before you know it, our logo's gonna be off the car. Well, we'll see.

Starting point is 01:42:35 Those guys, those guys, they're not paying anything. I know what you're talking about. I know exactly what you're saying. But you know what? I'm okay with it because I could not be happier for her. She has, winner, written written all her name, Speed. She's, she's going to be on the podium. Always put a No Agenda patch on the, on the, on the outfit.

Starting point is 01:42:54 Well, you know, we'll get her a No Agenda. Management guys won't be able to do anything about that. That's right. No Agenda cowboy hat. You know, she always wears a cowboy hat because you know, she's a Texas girl. Yeah. Well, I said North Carolina look Yes Exactly, right. We're so proud of her Yeah, we want to see people like her succeed go on without us. Okay, we don't need the logo. Just remember us

Starting point is 01:43:16 Remember us when you're on the female Richard Petty in the making. Whoo Only much better looking Richard Petty man. He was kind of harsh Woo, only much better looking. Richard Petty, man, he was kind of harsh looking. Harsh. Yeah, he's kind of a guy. Thank you very much to our executive and associate executive producers. Again, thank you to everybody who supports the show.

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Starting point is 01:43:57 Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

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Starting point is 01:44:24 Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! with a couple of NPR clips. Oh, good, because I'd already brought it up that something was going on, right? We talked about it a few shows ago. Yeah, you mentioned it. Yes. But this is like a... Something's going on, something's up. This is like a classic example of NPR

Starting point is 01:44:34 not being able to twist the story. To Trump, to Trump, to Trump. To make it something Trump did. I think you may have guessed it, but let's go to the point here. Now we turn to a scandal that's shaking up the beauty pageant world. Oh man, it's already starting off great.

Starting point is 01:44:53 The beauty pageant world, oh no. Miss USA and Miss Teen USA recently stepped down. The organization that runs both of these competitions is under scrutiny. Now former Miss USA Noelia Voight cited mental health, while the former Miss Teen USA Uma Sofia Srivastava pointed to a misalignment of quote, personal values within the organization. For more insight on this, we are joined here in studio by Amy Argotsinger. She's style editor at the Washington Post and the author of the book There She Was,

Starting point is 01:45:25 The Secret History of Miss America. Amy, welcome. Amy S. Higgins Thank you for having me. Lauren Ruffin Amy, just for starters, can you briefly walk us through what we know so far about these resignations? Amy S. Higgins We haven't gotten a lot of details. It seems as though both the former Miss USA and the former Miss Teen USA are probably bound up by non-disclosure agreements.

Starting point is 01:45:44 They've alluded to being limited in what they can say, but some details have trickled out just reading between the lines of their messages to the public on Instagram and by some comments that their mothers have given in interviews. And the general impression you have is that they feel like they were just shabbily treated by pageant management, that they were subject to criticism and disorganization. You've seen some phrases tossed about, bullying, sexual harassment that wasn't taken seriously, things like that, but the precise details have not come out. The resignation statement that was put out by Noelia Voight, who is Miss USA, went viral and followers online were pointing out that her statement's first 11 sentences started with letters that spelled out, quote, I am

Starting point is 01:46:30 silenced, unquote. I mean, do you think that's internet conspiracy theory or that she's trying to say something significant there? Dr. Kirsten Kroft For once, it does not seem to be internet conspiracy theory. People close to her have said, yeah, this is how she feels. That was an intentional message. And that's the message we've gotten is that this was somewhat coordinated. These young women talk to each other. Their resignations had been preceded by that of the social media manager for the organization. Wow. It's about time. This is, I've never understood why this is still a thing. I mean, it's, it seems so off in today's politically correct world to have

Starting point is 01:47:14 beauty contests at all and to display women like this is of course the season of reveal and it'll, we'll find out about the Olympic games, how the, how, how the athletes are treated like just marketing meat, marketing meat. That's all, that's all these women are marketing meat for organizations that are corrupt and probably filled with creeps. Yeah, of course I would draw creeps because you know, you go where the action is. Of course, I would draw creeps because you go where the action is. Hey, there's action over there. So, I am silenced as the first, you know, first, I actually wrote a column for Mac user magazine years ago where I did that.

Starting point is 01:47:56 You did, I am silenced? You did one of those? I didn't say I'm silenced, but I had some message using the first letter of every sentence. What was it? I can't remember. It's happy April Fool's Day or something. I don't remember. The whole thing was...

Starting point is 01:48:07 It's a let down? I think I did a bunch of these jokes and one year I resigned which upset the publisher. Boo. Boo. But there was a message was in there. But I remember one time I did one that was a mirror image which was I think one of my more creative April Fool's gags. But yeah, using the first letter is not a, it's not a conspiracy when it spells that I am silenced. It's like, what kind of, you think it's a coincidence that she

Starting point is 01:48:35 wrote this? So, okay. Anyway, so now we go to part two, because we got to get to the bottom of this. What's really going on? Who's responsible? Lauren Henry More quietly though, a couple of long-time executives with Miss USA stepped away in the past several months since the pageant management changed hands back in August. This is an organization that's in some upheaval and that goes back a long ways. Lauren Henry Voight hasn't commented further on her resignation statement but a longer version of that resignation letter was obtained by some news organizations and in it, she accused the Miss USA organization

Starting point is 01:49:10 of, quote, a toxic work environment, that at best is poor management and at worst is bullying and harassment. Given what you know about this organization, about its history, did those chart just surprise you? No, they really didn't surprise me. Part of that has to do with the fact that this was the pageant organization, Miss USA, a subsidiary of Miss Universe, that was owned in part by Donald Trump. I think we all remember hearing in 2015, 2016, some of the accusations, some of the stories that came out about his behavior around contestants the way he talked about them.

Starting point is 01:49:50 Oh, my word. I mean, you know what? I thought that, you know, did John forget, did he forget about what was going on? But this also deserves a Clip of the Day award. Clip of the Day. So the NPR and Washington Post, they can't help themselves. They just can't do it. Of course. We had to take it to Trump.

Starting point is 01:50:14 It's Trump's fault. You know what? I know what the problem was. I know what she couldn't say. I know what's going on. Half of the contestants are dudes. That's what's happening there. Yeah. Yeah. We're sick of it. We're sick of it. And so is the sisterhood. Kappa Kappa Gamma. Six members of Kappa Kappa Gamma walk towards the Federal Court

Starting point is 01:50:38 of Appeals in downtown Denver this morning. Supporters cheering as they make another push to ban Artemis Langford and transgender women from being in their sorority. It's a space to be free. You're not exposed to the outside world, the male gaze, you're safe from all that. Their case was dismissed by the district court last year. The judge ruling, even though Kappa Kappa Gamma's bylaws say, quote, a new member shall be a woman, the court can't be the one to decide whether that excludes transgender women. The sorority's attorney Natalie McLaughlin arguing today the fraternity council didn't amend the bylaws, just interpreted them.

Starting point is 01:51:14 The term women is undefined in CAPA's bylaws and that term women is not a term that has a singular definition. They say when a fraternity council is put into position, then they have the duty, that's the word they used, duty to decide what that term means. And in this case, they decided that that is to include transgender women. The issue here is whether fraternity council has the right to interpret the term women.

Starting point is 01:51:40 And it is not whether they have, you know, announced that term in the best form, but whether they have exercised the right to interpret that term and that is what occurred here. The six women though say the way the sorority was asked to vote on Langford's membership through Google Forms was against bylaws. So it was a big intimidation factor of hey we can see if you voted we can see how you voted and we can come talk to you about your vote. The three judges listened to both sides for a little over an hour.

Starting point is 01:52:09 They did express doubt on whether they could make a ruling or if a lower court should continue to hear the case. No word on when they may come back with a decision. Okay, well, this is easy. Curry and Dvorak say, you're not a woman. We can define what a woman is. This has to stop and it's it's it's crazy that we have a Supreme Court Justice Katanji Jackson Brown who in her Confirmation hearing would not define what a woman is and here we are

Starting point is 01:52:37 These and these girls by the way fantastic. They were rocking it. Hey good women. Look at us We're women stay away. There's an overr We're women. Look at us. We're women. Stay away. Dude. There's an overriding question here, which is you got a sorority. I'm familiar with sororities and fraternities and how they operate.

Starting point is 01:52:56 They vote that person in if they, if this, if some transgender comes in and they don't want transgenders in their sorority, they just say no. I don't get, see why I have big a big question is being made you hear what she said That there was something about the voting some screwy voting. Yeah, they they they forced everybody open voting It wasn't a closed vote. It was a Google a Google forms Google forms goes along with sheets This doesn't there's something about the story that doesn't make sense.

Starting point is 01:53:25 I mean, I like what they're up to. Yes, me too. I like what they're up to. But it seems somewhat- But women are under attack and it has to stop, particularly those of the lactating kind. Yeah, Liz, the digital billboard was supposed to celebrate breastfeeding moms, but after only three days, Molly Boz was told the 45-foot ad marketing her so-called lactation cookies was being taken down.

Starting point is 01:53:52 It's super disheartening and infuriating to me that my kind of first public foray into being a public mother was one that was deemed inappropriate. This is how the cookie crumbled for cookbook author Molly Boz. She says her lactation cookie ad meant to help new moms was on her bucket list, but it quickly turned into a lesson in hypocrisy. There's a lot of irony if you look around the landscape at times where what's going on and what historically is deemed an ad that's appropriate for a public space.

Starting point is 01:54:30 I know that this is a systemic issue that exists in our society. That's why we put this campaign together, was to show an empowered pregnant woman. The ad space is operated by Clear Channel and Swell. Boz's partner says the company was told the ad violated guidelines for acceptable content and that's why it was taken down. But Boz is now sharing photos of similar ads that also appear in Times Square of people in underwear showing just as much skin. So at the bottom of this story, besides possibly being a native ad, it is kind of despicable. We've gotten to this point where a woman is on a billboard and she's really only exposing

Starting point is 01:55:12 her belly, a big pregnant belly, and that is deemed inappropriate by today's cultural standards. Whereas, we'll go look at the Times Square billboards, it's all sexualized. And so this is, oh no, we can't have this. Oh no, it's shocking. Oh, it's triggering me. It's triggering. Oh, the rain triggers me. I'm triggered. We've got to grow up. Yeah, well, I'm looking at this slightly differently as I'd like to know how a cookbook author can afford a Times Square billboard. She is the New York Times cookbook recipe author.

Starting point is 01:55:50 She's a big deal. She's a big deal. A big deal doesn't mean you have the money to afford a, especially a New York Times reporter, basically. She's a big deal, go look her up. But having a big deal doesn't mean she has the resources to buy an- Yes, I've had, think new ideas had a billboard

Starting point is 01:56:11 on Times Square. It's not that expensive. Yeah, but you had investors money. That's right. It's not your money, it's not coming out of your pocket. Investors money, yeah. It's a big difference. VC cash.

Starting point is 01:56:23 Well, okay, I'm not looking at it that way. I'm looking at the mental health crisis we have in America. It's all around the world, but it's certainly in the United. We have a mental health crisis. People are out of their minds. Then it's probably because they're not drinking raw milk. That would change. By the way, the New York Times had an outstanding,

Starting point is 01:56:44 I was surprised, in this era of the whole child initiative, which is extremely disturbing. I have a pamphlet, which I've not allowed to post yet. I have a pamphlet that's distributed in schools from the Summit Counseling Center. And I mean, this is the stuff that they're identifying children with in schools by in school counselors. This is a problem. Get your kids out of these schools. Don't even try to change the school, just get them out.

Starting point is 01:57:20 Yeah, I'm thinking you're right. I mean, homeschooling, there's lots of resources for homeschooling. You homeschooled all of your kids? No, just a couple of them. And only part, not the whole time either, just a period of time. Right. And then they wanted to go back.

Starting point is 01:57:36 Once you do it, you find out a couple of things. Yeah. And there's like, there's categories of homeschoolers. There's a Christian homeschoolers. There's the Muslim homeschoolers. There's the Christian homeschoolers, there's the Muslim homeschoolers, there's the Jewish homeschoolers, there's the secular. So there's four groups of homeschoolers and they intermix a little bit.

Starting point is 01:57:51 The Muslim homeschoolers tend to be the most aggressive about field trips, so you try to hook up with a few of those guys. So the kids are always going out there at farms, they're at factories, the Muslim homeschoolers are great. There's resources, there's bookstores, there's online sources. Once you get into it, it's just all of a sudden

Starting point is 01:58:12 you're in a network you didn't know existed and then boom, everything you need is there. It's a no-brainer. It's actually quite easy. The key, I'll give you this, the key to success to homeschooling is to get the kid to agree, your child. Yeah, to be into it. To agree to it.

Starting point is 01:58:32 Yeah. Would you like to leave it? Yeah, the school is terrible. Would you like to be homeschooled? We will homeschool you, but you have to agree to cooperate. Sign this contract, kid. Once they agree to cooperate, then this is good to go. They do a lot of art, you know, reading on their own.

Starting point is 01:58:49 And if I can just say, how many years was Jay homeschooled? Probably four or five, five maybe. Jay Dvorak, J-A-E, Jay Dvorak is one of the most delightful, productive human resources I've ever had the pleasure of working with. She does noagendaabc.com. The books are shipping, by the way. They are? They're shipping.

Starting point is 01:59:15 Yeah, they're shipping. The books are shipping. They're shipping as we speak. Noagendaabc.com. Get your coloring book. Get your hard copy. She is one of the most enjoyable, pleasant, productive human resources I've ever worked with. And there you go,

Starting point is 01:59:29 because she was homeschooled. She got no hangups, no issues, always smiley, always good. You know, I would, I would recommend any organization hire her except you can't cause we got her under contract. She's at the art publishing company. Well, not mine, but she had a public, she can't have her. So anyway, on the previous episode, I made some comments about social media and how useless, utterly useless it is to be posting about all the horrible things in the world. You might get it off your chest, but you're not doing anything. You're not

Starting point is 01:59:59 starting a conversation, not getting anything going. You've been not helping, your memes really aren't doing all that much, you're in a little bubble and you get your friends going, yeah, that was great, man. That was a great meme. Oh, that was great. Oh yeah, oh, I got them. Yeah, you showed them. On the lips. There's more danger to social networks, particularly to the children. By the way, I saw a lot of positive comments. People like, you know, Adam's a horrible guy. I hate him. He's a grifter, but he is kind of right. You know, it's really kind of useless. You're not a grifter. That's for sure. No, they call me grifter. I'm a grifter. I'm a grifter. I'm a grifter.

Starting point is 02:00:37 You may be a horrible guy, but you're not a grifter. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. You're not a grifter. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. But there is more going on with social networking that I would like the parents who, of course, if you're listening to the No Agenda podcast, you probably already know this, but I was surprised, delightfully surprised to see the New York Times post a whole piece on this and actually had a video, I clipped it.

Starting point is 02:01:02 And this is about mental health and how social media and the experts on social media are ruining your children. Search for high functioning anxiety on TikTok and look what happens. Three signs of high functioning anxiety. With high functioning anxiety. Five things you don't realize you're doing because of your high functioning anxiety. More than 10,000 videos with millions of young viewers. Number one, you tend to have extremely high standards

Starting point is 02:01:27 for yourself and might even identify as being a perfectionist. You're nice and easy to be around, but your people please too much. Many are made by professional clinicians and they mean well. But here's the thing, high functioning anxiety isn't a medical diagnosis, it's a hashtag.

Starting point is 02:01:43 No one cares about me, so why should I care about myself? It's okay to not understand what you're feeling. And it's easier to think that you're all alone. Over the last decade, there's been this massive cultural shift in how we talk about our psychology and our feelings. I see a therapist. It's okay. Even Burger King cares about your mental health.

Starting point is 02:02:06 Awareness is good. It teaches us to talk about our feelings and it combats harmful stigma. But all this awareness is not reducing rates of mental health problems. What it is doing is convincing some teenagers that they have a mental illness when they don't. Yes, exactly. That's exactly what's happening. Oh, I have high functional anxiety. and they don't. Yes, exactly. That's exactly what's happening. Oh, I have high functional anxiety. Guess what? Anxiety is a part of life.

Starting point is 02:02:32 You don't need drugs for it. You don't need stuff to regulate your anxiety. And all of this stuff, it's all, it's professionals, John, it's professionals. It's all part of the American Psychiatric Association Oh, no, if you feel like this sometimes Oh, you probably need to take a pill. Yeah, you're a boy It always ends up with you're a boy. Yeah, yeah exactly. So Be careful be careful out there people. Ah

Starting point is 02:03:01 See you've been hiding it from me And I wasn't prepared. It was sprayed all over the place. Yeah. What are you drinking? What are you drinking today, John? I'm drinking Lagunitas Hoppy Refresher, and this is a berry lemon flavor. Ooh, what kind of flavor?

Starting point is 02:03:19 My last, it's my last can of Hoppy Refresher. Hoppy Refresher. Interesting. Kind of a hint. Sounds good. Sounds kind of good. Gave me a case of it. You drank the whole case on the show? No, I drink it every so often. It's tasty. It's hoppy.

Starting point is 02:03:40 Let's see. We probably... Let me see. Oh, yeah, we should probably talk about this for a second, just because you're the expert. American families are now spending about $227 more a month compared to a year ago and about $1,037 more compared to three years ago. Even with incomes rising, costs going up have meant that credit card statements, how much money you're putting on that credit card is also rising. The number of Americans now missing their credit card payments is increasing with Gen

Starting point is 02:04:13 Z, the most likely age group, to max out their credit cards. And the Fed has signaled that rates are likely to go lower eventually, but that eventually continues to get pushed out with inflation higher and we're starting to see it impact other areas like student loans, student loan interest rates now the highest in nearly two decades. Yeah, everything's great. Economy is good. Best ever.

Starting point is 02:04:38 Best ever. Oh, biodynamics is working everybody. Biodynamics. I got hairy legs. I expected 3.5% inflation month over month. You know, this was, I wish I, I don't know if I have a clip on this, but I probably, one of the clips may incorporate this, but NPR again, they talked about it like, this is great.

Starting point is 02:05:02 The economy has never been in better shape. It's only 3.5% month over month. This is way down. Month over month? It's compounded, is it not? Yeah, oh yeah. It just keeps, it stacks on top of each other. So it was, whatever it is, it's more. Let's see how great the economy is. Let's see how fast food is doing. Back now with Red Lobster moving closer to bankruptcy. The Wall Street Journal reports the seafood chain could file for Chapter 11 as soon as next week.

Starting point is 02:05:30 Red Lobster! It follows the sudden closure of dozens of restaurants. Red Lobster has been losing money for years. It's all you can eat shrimp deal contributed to an $11 million loss. I mean, shrimp. Shrimp is the bug of the sea. They can't even make money on shrimp. They weren't. It was all you can eat shrimp. This is, they broke them because you got big fat. Hey, I don't know about you, but there's,

Starting point is 02:05:54 Texas has got plenty of these guys, but we had a lot of red lobsters out here. Big fat guys. And they go into a place like this where it's all you can eat shrimp for a fixed price and they eat it they eat the place out and then these guys are these guys managing red lobster too dumb to realize this is not working well there's another promotion because you know so, so with these inflation numbers, actually, it was kind of funny.

Starting point is 02:06:26 Let me see, do I have it in here? Let me see. Do I have the, I thought I had the inflation number. Oh, here's the inflation breakdown. It was kind of interesting to see how they, and of course, these numbers are bogus. So all items, 3.4% increase in cost, that is what they call inflation. The largest inflation categories were juices and drinks, 29% increase. Video discs and other media, 29% increase.

Starting point is 02:07:02 Video what? Video discs and other media. Discs? I don't know why they're measuring that but that's 29%. Motor vehicle insurance, we got hit by this 22.6%. We have as much chance of our something happening to our car as as as farmer Jed. I mean we live in the sticks. It's amazing how much our car insurance went up. Admissions to sporting events, you're getting gouged 15%. Food at home though, only 1.1%. While food in general, like fast food, nah, that's going up.

Starting point is 02:07:43 Then so McDonald's- Groceries have gone up, how could food at home only be 1%? Cause that comes, that's going up. Then so McDonald's… Groceries have gone up. How can food at home only be 1%? Because that comes, that stems from groceries. 1.1%. That's a bogus number. Beef roasts, 10.1%. I guess beef roast is not the same as food at home.

Starting point is 02:07:58 Frankfurters, 7%. Fats and oils. Why are you eating that at all people? 5%. Canned vegetables 4.8%. Tomatoes 4.7%. Dried beans, peas and lentils. Food away from home though, this up. Vending machines 7.3%.

Starting point is 02:08:22 And limited service meals and snacks 4.8%. So that's, I guess you're fast food. They don't break it out by fast food. So McDonald's is feeling the heat because they are gouging people. Did you see that? There was a video that went viral of this lady's, like she opens up her Big Mac

Starting point is 02:08:39 and it's thinner than the pickle. The meat patty is thinner than the pickle. And it's transparent, There's holes in it. Yeah. That sounds like it. So, so there, so for one month- McDonald's in Oakland, I should get some clips because I can get these clips. That was rat infested. We talked about that. And it's been rat infested for over a year. They finally shut it down.

Starting point is 02:09:01 We had clips of the rat infested. We had clips. They were your clips. Yeah, you don't remember. They were your clips. You don't remember? Rat. Rats. So McDonald's is fighting back with a one month limited value meal. With fast food frustration, frying customers. Whoa, nice alliteration. What happened to the dollar menu?

Starting point is 02:09:20 Bring that back. This morning, the summer leaf may be on the horizon of the Golden Arch's McDonald's may soon roll out a $5 value meal nationwide two people familiar tell CNBC the offer would include four-piece chicken McNuggets a choice of a McChicken or McDouble fries and a drink and the rumor hot off the press has Consumers loving it because that seems too good to be true. I'm excited for it. If that's the case because The fast-food giant would be just the latest to offer a $5 meal deal Igniting a battle in the burger kingdom as more inflation cautious consumers are fed up with rising fast food costs Yeah, nice native ad CNBC. It was definitely native ad but, but the worst part is that it seems as if from the, at least from the forums, that the franchise owners of all these McDonald's do not want this.

Starting point is 02:10:15 No, because they're going to get soaked on it. They're going to get soaked on it. It's going to be like the free or the all you can eat shrimp. It's just that there's no money in it. And so they're not happy. No, at this point, you're better off getting some ground hamburger meat from your rancher. Yes, yes you are. You'll pay the same, if not less, and you can make a whole bunch of patties.

Starting point is 02:10:38 The number of people out there that have ranchers available to them is probably 1% of the audience. It's available to everybody in America. There's a map. And there's one near you. Beefinitiative.com. There's one near you. You can get this.

Starting point is 02:10:58 This is the problem. People think that they can't get it. I'm just trying to keep people healthy. Do whatever you want. Feed your kids that crap to feed your kids. That's crap Kids crap John says feed your kids crap raw sewage Let us Since we're in the season of reveal here

Starting point is 02:11:21 Let's go to the corruption because they're all corrupt. All of them. All of them are in some kind of deal one way or the other. I love how Menendez is throwing his wife under the bus though. Gold bar seized by the FBI will be put on full display in the federal corruption trial against Senator Bob Menendez. This is what prosecutors told jurors Wednesday afternoon during opening arguments or what they described as a roadmap to their case. Assistant U.S. Attorney Laura Pomerantz said, This is a case about a public official who put greed first, who put his power up for sale. What was his price? Gold. She told the court the bribery scheme started in 2018 with Egyptian native Wael Hana and the senator's wife Nadine Menendez.

Starting point is 02:12:05 The two had been friends for years and that Hana saw an opportunity as a failed businessman. Pomerantz told jurors that Menendez promised to do things to benefit Hana and the government of Egypt, which set in motion a web to make good on the bribery payments with the help of Hana's business partner, New Jersey real estate developer, Fred Davies. But defense attorney for Menendez, Avi Weitzman, told jurors he was never and is not a foreign agent of the government of Egypt. No!

Starting point is 02:12:33 He did not violate the law, period. Bob was doing his job, and he was doing it right. He says the gold bars have been in his wife's Lebanese family for years and were listed on a 2022 financial disclosure form. White's been told the court, they want you to be blinded by the golden cash and that the government's case rests on little more than guesswork and speculation.

Starting point is 02:12:55 Thursday morning, defense attorneys for Wael Hana and Fred Davies will present their opening arguments. Yeah, I don't believe it for a second. It's the woman. It's the wife. Yeah, but don't believe it for a second. It's the woman. It's the wife. Yeah, but listen to this. If the gold bars have been in the Lebanese wife's family for years, how come it just showed up on a statement in 2022? Yeah, because she stole it from the family. I don't know. This is a lie. Gold is fungible.

Starting point is 02:13:19 It doesn't make sense. Gold is fungible. They have one gold bar for the other. Hey, was it that one? Was it this one? I don't know. Actually, I think they're probably stamped, aren't they? Don't they have a number, the gold bars? They tend to be, yeah. They tend to be. But all of these politicians, I think the minute you get elected, you're in, it's like,

Starting point is 02:13:36 hey, hey, look at this picture. You're mine now, son. Yeah. And this guy's wife, it was Menendez's wife she's the one that was getting all the favors done he's like yes yes honey I know and some other reports like it was it was in a locked closet I don't have the key to her closet what kind of marriage do you have really that's not a crock that's not suspicious

Starting point is 02:14:01 and no my wife's got a lot closet She won't let me look in there. Why did you ever try to go in there when she's not at home and check it out and see what she's hiding? No. So, horrible assassination attempt on the Slovakian Prime Minister. I have an update that came in this morning. Oh, play my clip then your update. Slovakia's populist prime minister Robert Fico is fighting for his life. He was severely wounded after being gunned down following a political event this afternoon. Here's more.

Starting point is 02:14:45 The 59-year-old was hit in the stomach after four shots were fired. The shooting happened outside the House of Culture in the town of Handlova, where he was meeting with supporters. Police have a suspect in custody. The shooting in Slovakia comes three weeks ahead of crucial European Parliament elections in which populist and hard-right parties in the 27-nation bloc appear poised to make gains. FITSO, a third-time premier, is staging a political comeback after campaigning on a pro-Russian and anti-American message.

Starting point is 02:15:21 Critics are worried the country under FITico's leadership would abandon Slovakia's pro-western course and follow the direction of Hungary under populist Prime Minister Viktor Orban. Thousands have repeatedly rallied in the capital and across Slovakia to protest Fico's policies. Condemnations of political violence quickly came from leaders across Europe, although no motive for the attack was immediately apparent. Yeah. Okay. So first of all, shades of Pim Fortan. This is exactly what happened with Pim Fortan 22 years ago. He was about to go into elections. They have some, some gray beard go out and shoot him, kill him because, you

Starting point is 02:16:05 know, he might upset the apple cart. And clearly the Slovakian PM is not in on the whole, you know, the whole, uh, European union Kumbaya thing and, oh, oh, it was much more like Victor Orban. Oh no. And then, so they just, they just resulted killing people. What? The straw man Viktor Orban. Yeah, well they're just they're killing people now over.

Starting point is 02:16:30 This is a political assassination attempt. Here's the update from this morning. Wednesday afternoon, this helicopter rushed Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico to the hospital where he spent hours in intensive surgeries. Late in the night, one of Slovakia's deputy prime ministers announced that the operations were successful and that Fico was no longer in a life-threatening situation. Meanwhile, another deputy prime minister held a press conference denouncing the political nature of the attack. So this is the issue, what's happened, it's a political assault. Fico was shot in the abdomen as he greeted a crowd of supporters.

Starting point is 02:17:08 Minutes later, footage showed police handcuffing a gray-haired suspect on the ground. Local media have identified the gunman as a 71-year-old writer and peace activist, an identification that has been confirmed by the Slovakian Interior Minister, but not officially released by police. Several of his political statements could be found on social media, in which he variously called out hatred and extremism, advocated for nonviolence, and supported a pro-Russian paramilitary group. Prime Minister Fico won a third term in September after campaigning on a pro-Russian and anti-American

Starting point is 02:17:46 platform. After his electoral victory, his government immediately halted arms deliveries to Ukraine. Critics have worried that under Fico, Slovakia would abandon the country's pro-Western course and follow the direction of Hungary under populist Prime Minister Viktor Orban. There you go. There you go. But you're not on board. And so now they're just killing each other.

Starting point is 02:18:12 I can't see it any other way. A peacenik activist and a nonviolent hater of violence shoot somebody. Yeah, yeah. A little irony there. Because we have to go kill people. Kill people. Kill people. All right.

Starting point is 02:18:29 Now let's talk about the real killing that's going on. The real killing. Because we're out of Ukrainian men. They're all dead. We need more. Ukraine urgently needs new soldiers and is increasing pressure on men to sign up. The government recently passed a new mobilization law From this which from this weekend means that Ukrainian men will have two months to register for potential

Starting point is 02:18:53 Conscription if they don't sign up they'll be punished either get punished or you die This is insane. They are the Ukraine girls They are the Ukraine girls It's amazing what they're doing everyone's just like ah, it's just Ukrainian men who gives a crap. I don't care Rafa it's gonna detect it. It's gonna completely alter the gene pool. Yes, and they already have cankles Let's be honest, so what do we do well,, we're going to help. We're going to help. We're going to help. We're coming to your aid, dude.

Starting point is 02:19:29 An update. Now the U.S. is giving Ukraine another massive round of support as Ukrainian forces battle against the new Russian military offensive. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken announcing in Kyiv today a $2 billion arms deal. Most of the money will come from a package approved last month. The funding will provide weapons in the short term, invest in Ukraine's defense industrial base as well, and allow Ukraine to buy military supplies from other countries. Ukrainian troops withdrew from some parts of their country while fighting Russian soldiers

Starting point is 02:20:02 in other areas today. Ukraine's president has postponed all upcoming foreign trips. So it's the two billion of the 60 billion, which they did not get no big publishers clearinghouse check to Ukraine. No, here's two billion. We're not sending you a check. You can spend it. Where would you like to spend it? It's like the supermarket sweep. Okay, you got two billion, you got 30 seconds. What do you want to buy? You want Atacams? No. No, you're not getting Atacams, which is whatever. Remember that was always to get them Atacams. That word just fell out of vogue. Because they're not gonna give it to them. They don't, they're not sincere

Starting point is 02:20:37 about this. If they used Atacams, then they would attack, they would blow up Moscow. We can't have that. That would not prolong everything. So instead, send Blinken! Tonight, the Russians advancing from Ukraine's northeast border. A desperate race to evacuate thousands of Ukrainians on the outskirts of Kharkiv. She says they are shooting from everywhere. Yesterday there was a hit and the front of our house burned down. Ukraine forced to retreat in recent months, waiting for Congress to approve weapons.

Starting point is 02:21:08 Now trying to hold the line in villages north of Kharkiv. Secretary of State Blinken arriving in Kiev today, even taking time to jump on stage with a local band. Playing rockin' in the free world. President Zelensky expressing gratitude but saying his country still needs air defense against the Russian barrage, specifically, Patriot missile batteries.

Starting point is 02:21:32 It's air defense, the biggest deficit for us, for our liberation because the people are under attack. Secretary Blinken saying the assistance is on its way. Some of it's already arrived, more of it will be arriving. And that's going to make a real difference. But the U.S. says it doesn't have enough Patriot missile launchers and is working with other countries to send theirs. While Russia is getting critical support from Iran, North Korea and China. Putin is ramping up yet another offensive against Ukraine in Kharkiv and across the

Starting point is 02:22:01 east. Sending wave after wave of Russian soldiers, Iranian drones, North Korean artillery, and tanks. And this week, President Putin, riding the wave of recent advances in Ukraine, will meet with President Xi in Beijing and will discuss the war. Okay, so they send Blinken over to say, don't worry, you can spend that two billion on some patriot missiles from other European countries That's fine. I'm not gonna give you a tacku*ms and Zelensky got the script playing along nicely and just to relieve some tension

Starting point is 02:22:35 I guess Blinken travels with his guitar because it's a custom. It's a left-handed guitar bread And I actually I sowed him playing and singing. And it's atrocious and embarrassing. Okay. Can I throw something in here? So this band is notorious for playing, living in the free world. And they made the announcement that, Hey, we're going to have a special

Starting point is 02:23:03 celebrity special guest. And was like, Neil Young's coming. Bruce and everybody believed Neil Young was going to come because of the song. And so they packed the place and there we go. And here's our special guest, Anthony Blinken wearing. Yeah, here we go. I was just going to say, when you're over 50, don't wear jeans, please.

Starting point is 02:23:22 They're fighting not just for Ukraine but for the free world and the free world is with you too so maybe we can try something hey blink and auto tune This is the height of embarrassment. It is very bad. Listen. Oh, solo. Rip it.

Starting point is 02:23:54 Rip it, baby. He didn't even play the solo. This is an embarrassment. He should be fired for doing this. Fired. I mean, this is worse than Hillary Clinton dancing with her team. Remember that? Oh my God.

Starting point is 02:24:15 So I did want to play this short ABC report about the intensifying attacks because it is Nat Pop Heaven. Tonight, the Russian onslaught in the northeast forcing Ukrainian troops to retreat and civilians to flee. You can hear gun battles raging as this police official in the border town of Voveshchansk describes the situation as extremely difficult. Ukraine is fighting back, but Russian forces are pressing ahead, repeatedly shelling the country's second largest city, Kharkiv, just a few dozen miles away. Developments in the northeast and along other parts of the 600-mile front so concerning to

Starting point is 02:25:00 President Zelenskyy that he's postponed all upcoming foreign trips to monitor the fighting. It comes as Secretary Blinken announced another $2 billion in aid during his visit, most of it coming from the $60 billion already approved by Congress last month. We're rushing ammunition, armored vehicles, missiles, air defenses, rushing them to get to the front lines. And David, President Zelensky may have had to cancel his upcoming foreign trip because of the seriousness of the situation in Kharkiv. But Vladimir Putin has tonight arrived in China, shoring up support for the war, which does

Starting point is 02:25:33 seem increasingly to be going his way. I mean, can you make it any more clear? Nat-pop, Nat-pop, Nat-pop, boom, two words, another explosion. I don't have a link to the show notes, but I want to recommend something to people, which is a new development in these wars. They talk about Iranian drones and this and that. What's really going on now is that the Russians have retrofitted their supply of what a half ton, one ton, 2000 pound and 3000 pound bombs that they've accumulated. And there's an estimated one, but you can look this up on a glide bombs and try

Starting point is 02:26:18 to find the daily mail report. So they've modified these bombs and they take an SU 34 and they take it up to about 56,000 feet, which I think is the altitude to get to, 40 miles away before even crossing the Ukrainian border and launching these things. And they've got wings and a little GPS device on them. And they glide 40 miles, like, but not propelled, they just glide, and then hit these targets, these targets accurately, supposedly. It's an amazing technology and it turns out, if you listen to the reports, that the Russians, you know, you talk about all the North Koreans and this, all these people supplying the Russians

Starting point is 02:27:01 up, they have one million of these bombs that they've had since the 60s. One million. Wow. They're going to launch it. They put the wings on every one of them and off they go. They're like retrofitted. They're just as a fascinating story about glide bombs.

Starting point is 02:27:19 But look at it. I would recommend. I have it. It's in the show notes. It's dynamite. It is. But the thing is, they're not sincere about any of this because the Atacams have not... And remember, this was at the discretion of the president. They're approved, they're good to go. We can send them over, but no, you're not going to get them

Starting point is 02:27:37 because it's a farce. This war is a farce and there's hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men and there's hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men dead because of it. Dead. And no outrage. No outrage. Zero. No one cares. There's also no video, no nut pops, no body parts thrown about, unlike in Gaza. Now I want to transition us carefully over to this story by... Kind of a background or Gaza clip. Well, can I transition us into it with a protest clip? Sure. Because this is...

Starting point is 02:28:13 But before you play that, don't want to say something. Yeah, say something. I have to say whoever's really behind this Gaza thing, the protesters in the United States at every university, at every college, on bridges and toll plazas and every place in between. These people are extremely talented at organizing. I mean, I've never seen anything so well done in my entire life and I've seen lots of protests, but this is unbelievably good.

Starting point is 02:28:41 Yeah, it's well organized, well funded. And it's dynamite. And well, there's a lot of hate about Israel. There's a lot of people who hate Israel. They hate the Zionists. Those damn Zionists. Yes. So the Sky News lady, you know the one, who's always making fun of stuff.

Starting point is 02:29:01 So she made fun of Greta, Greta Thunberg at the Eurovision Song Contest. Yeah. And it was just so good. She used several adjectives that I just wanted to play one minute of her rant about Greta. One lone performer representing Israel was mercilessly bullied by the crowd who booed her, by fellow contestants and even commie troll Greta Thunberg. We are here to show that we think it is outrageous and inexcusable for Eurovision to let Israel participate while committing a genocide. Yes it's a song contest where Israel, a country that is currently

Starting point is 02:29:41 committing a genocide in Gaza Gaza are allowed to compete. Yeah, that is a very clear example that does say that when a country accepts in a way that when a country behaves in a way that is unacceptable, then you're really excludes them. So why not Israel? She really is a miserable little doom goblin, isn't she? And how wonderful to see her. I just love commie troll and miserable little doom goblin, isn't she? And how wonderful to see her. I just love commie troll and miserable little doom goblin. I like that. Doom goblin.

Starting point is 02:30:11 And I think you can pay her to show up. I think you can pay her. I think she's paid. Why wouldn't she be? As you pointed out, these protests are well organized, they're well funded. I think you can buy Greta Thunberg to come and protest for you. And in fact, I'd like to pay her, I'd like to make an offer to protest the podcast Industrial Complex, protest Spotify. I think we can get her, I think we can pay her. Anyway, it is clear that what Israel is doing is way beyond anything they should be doing. I think at this point, even this show has to agree it's gone a bit far.

Starting point is 02:30:56 Well, since I don't believe any of the things anyone's telling us, I can't say that. We don't really even know. We don't know anything because they lie. They lie about the numbers. All the information from both sides of this is a lie. Do you have an update so we can listen to some live? I just have an update. Oh, a Gaza update.

Starting point is 02:31:13 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu continues to push back against criticism Israel is not prepared for a post-war reality in Gaza. Netanyahu basically saying it's impossible to know what's next until the militant group Hamas is defeated. The US has been increasingly critical of Israel, citing a large number of civilian casualties as it ramps up its fighting there. The Biden administration is moving ahead with a one billion dollar arms package for Israel, even as the administration recently halted a planned shipment of 2,000 pound bombs. I have a clip that comes from, I think this is TRT, Turkish Radio and Television, that I have not heard any of this information

Starting point is 02:31:53 in the United States and it is the rather interesting amount of State Department and Defense Department people who are resigning their jobs over this. Have you heard anything about this? Yes, I have. Every so often it's mentioned in one of these back and forth interviews about these guys quitting. People are quitting the State Department left and right. Well, here we go.

Starting point is 02:32:16 On Monday, US Army Intelligence Officer Major Harrison Mann publicly resigned from the Defense Intelligence Agency by posting a letter on his LinkedIn profile. The policy that's never been far from my mind for the past six months is the nearly unqualified support for the government of Israel, which has enabled and empowered the killing and starvation of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians. A US State Department report released Friday found that weapons provided by America to Israeli security forces since October 7th were used in violation of international humanitarian law.

Starting point is 02:32:58 What we have seen at the same time is those armaments being used to kill at this point over 34,000 people in Gaza, of whom over 14,000 are children, in many cases striking targets in which there was no identified military objective. We have seen rules of engagement on the part of Israel that seem contrary to, you know, international both military best practice as well as commonly accepted international law when it comes to the principles of proportionality and discrimination. Josh Paul, former director of U.S. State Department Bureau of Political and Military Affairs, became the highest level U.S. official to resign just one month after October 7th. He says the administration is avoiding implementing laws that would prevent

Starting point is 02:33:42 military support to Israel. We've come to a conclusion similarly that international humanitarian law has been violated. There are both laws and policies in the US that would restrict the flow of arms. So it is clear, I think, that the administration is doing this in order to continue the flow of arms, despite the specific restrictions that have been placed on shipments of, for example, 2000 pound bombs. And that is why it has not come to any legally binding conclusions. Since Paul's resignation, many more US officials from various government offices have resigned in protest to the administration's pro-Israel policies.

Starting point is 02:34:19 I had not heard any of that. I'm glad you did. I was like, I didn't know that. I know people were resigning left and right. Is this now like this one billion dollars? Is this... I don't think, by the way, I don't think they're all resigning because of this. What do you think they're resigning over? The Turkish news makes a sense because they're on one side of the argument. That's why I play it, of course.

Starting point is 02:34:40 Yeah, I don't believe that's true. It sounds that because this has been going on for a while, they're just fed up with the system at the State Department. I don't believe that's true. It sounds that because this has been going on for a while, they're just fed up with the system at the State Department. They don't like blinking. There's a lot of reasons to quit. And that one that was exemplified on that particular clip was a guy was the DEI, which is not State Department. Here's what I don't understand.

Starting point is 02:35:00 Not DEI, but Department of Defense Intelligence. Yeah. So, we know that the numbers come, you know, the news has been reporting the numbers from the Hamas agency. So, we have no idea how correct that is. But I think the, and it's intentional, but I wonder why they're doing it. Why do they keep saying it's a genocide? Because a genocide implies that you just want to wipe all the people out. I don't think there's any evidence of that. They may be wiping them out, but there has to be intent behind genocide. And it feels like you're creating a friction point of interpretation that has nothing to do with dead people. You know what I mean? Why do the protesters harp on that? Why does it all have to be genocide?

Starting point is 02:35:53 Which of course is polarizing because of the Jewish Holocaust genocide, which some would say supposedly, in World War II. It's like a brain fry, you know what I mean? It doesn't make any sense to attack with that as your main point. Am I overthinking this? I'm not going to say you're overthinking it, but I'm kind of surprised you're stunned and shocked by the misuse of the terms to make a political point. Yeah, but it's a dumb political point.

Starting point is 02:36:27 I don't know. It seems to be working. Look at the turnout for... It's debatable. Well, it is debatable, but it's a sure definitely, it seems to me that you got a lot of people in the street. Oh, tons of people. And it's so bad that, let me see, we've got to go after poor Jerry Seinfeld. A moment to celebrate achievement becoming another chance to protest the war in Gaza. After a turbulent spring, multiple universities facing disruption at graduation, including Duke.

Starting point is 02:36:59 Dozens of students walked out on Jerry Seinfeld's commencement address Sunday. The comedian was later cheered. I say use your privilege. I grew up a Jewish boy from New York. That is a privilege if you want to be a comedian. Now explain that to me. But. Is being a Jewish boy in New York privilege? Yeah, because the Jews assume, yes, because Jewish comics in the comedy community are always seen as naturally superior because they're brought up in a culture of telling gags and jokes.

Starting point is 02:37:38 So it gives you an advantage because you can deliver material when you're little and right till you're older I mean if you ever known anyone has a Jewish person who hey who is at the dinner table that is one of these New Yorkers that likes to tell me do jokes do material. They'll just go to take you to the Fantastic now I want to mention something about this walkout There were 20. I think it was 25 I want to mention something about this walkout. There were 20, I think it was 2500,

Starting point is 02:38:05 it was like 2500 or more people, or no, 20,000, I think it was 20,000 people at this big commencement to hear Seinfeld and 40 walked out and that became news. It's just bull crap news. Now they started to applaud him later, I stopped the report, but yeah, it is. I mean, he has a movie to promote,

Starting point is 02:38:23 which I tried to watch and was kind of tedious It's supposed to be mediocre Yeah, it was it was okay a lot of a lot of famous people in it, which made it kind of funny But then it was his whole kind of like January 11th thing for 20 minutes that bugged me You know, it's like, you know free the pop-tart or whatever Well, thanks I won't watch it you don't don't want to watch it. I got one more. No, actually, let's move on because we have the big news of the day we haven't even discussed, but it comes on the heels of this news.

Starting point is 02:38:57 After years of warning China, President Biden put his pen where his mouth is today, quadrupling the tariff on Chinese EVs from 25% to 100%. I'm determined that the future of electric vehicles will be made in America by union workers, period. The move comes as EVs from Chinese automaker BYD gain traction around the world at about half the price of U.S.-made cars. One thing that my grandfather used to always tell me are good things aren't cheap and cheap things aren't good.

Starting point is 02:39:31 Dorian Jimenez owns a Chevy dealership in Oklahoma City. I'm glad that our government is going that direction and the more things that we can keep in-house, the greater it can be for us. Biden's hikes apply to far more than EVs. Chinese steel and aluminum will be hit with a 25% tariff. Solar panel cells will go to 50%. And so will Chinese syringes and needles. Biden finally listened to me.

Starting point is 02:39:58 He listens to me. Former President Donald Trump hiked tariffs on a much broader swath of Chinese goods in 2018. At the time, Biden argued that would spark a trade war, raising costs for everyone. We're going after the wrong thing with China. So what is this about? Well, he's a big, this is some, another Hail Mary that's an administration is trying to pull.

Starting point is 02:40:24 Well, we know we can't do that because of the Mexican, like the, you know, the free trade agreement. I know the car is down there, but be, but, but taxing EVs from China, a hundred percent or whatever he's supposed to do. What electric cards from China? Have you ever seen an electric car from China in this country? No. There's not one in here.

Starting point is 02:40:45 What are you taxing? Nothing. No, but the tax on steel and aluminum. Yeah, but that's just a minus 25%. It's not the same as 100%. But this is Trump. 100%. This is all Trump policy.

Starting point is 02:40:59 Everyone knows it. Which by the way, I heard an analysis that his tariffs really didn't do anything. That didn't have a lot of effect actually. It just raised prices on stuff. When you said this was the unspoken news, I thought you were going to talk about the clip I have, which was the Biden Trump debate that's going to be... No, I said it's a precursor To the tribe. Yes here in Washoe County, Nevada home to Reno Republican Tracy Hilton. I'm sorry. That's the wrong That's the wrong clip. No, I have well what I'm sure you have the clip. Where's the clip the Trump Biden debate clip? Where is it?

Starting point is 02:41:40 Biden is under Biden. Yes. Oh, you have NTD. Oh, that's interesting. After some quick back and forth, Biden and Trump have now both agreed to two debates. The first one by CNN happening in just six weeks on June 27th, another one by ABC on September 10th. Biden on Wednesday afternoon said he's looking forward to these debates while denying that he's doing one so early in June because he's worried about his polling. But Trump's now asking for four debates in total, including one by Fox on October 2nd, saying Americans need to hear more about inflation, the border, and chaos in the world.

Starting point is 02:42:16 Biden's campaign meanwhile slamming the door for more debates, accusing Trump of playing games, and insisting that Biden only wants two one-on-one debates. Here's Biden in a video on Wednesday morning. Watch. Donald Trump lost two debates to me in 2020. Since then, he hadn't shown up for debate. Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again. Well, make my day, pal. I'll even do it twice.

Starting point is 02:42:37 And the formats of these debates are still being debated and could surprise many. And Trump says he wants large venues to make it more exciting, while Biden's campaign wants no live audience, saying noisy spectacles aren't helpful. The June CNN debate, for example, won't have an audience and will also be the earliest televised presidential debate on record. It also marks the first time that candidates break away from the bipartisan group that has run these debates for decades.

Starting point is 02:43:02 It's also the first time the debates are set before either candidate becomes the official party nominee. All the surprises come as Biden and Trump already exchanging fire, though not yet on stage. All right, so before we discuss this, I want to play two clips. One, because I'm disappointed NTD left off the so-called kicker joke of Biden's ad. Here it is. Donald Trump lost two debates to me in 2020. Since then, he hadn't shown up for debate. Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again.

Starting point is 02:43:29 Well, make my day, pal. I'll even do it twice. So let's pick the dates, Donald. I hear you're free on Wednesdays. So the free on Wednesdays, is that like... Funny. That's when there's prison visitation. Is that the joke?

Starting point is 02:43:42 No, no. Wednesday on the New York case is the day that the court takes off. Oh, okay. Now I want to play the NBC report about this so-called agreement to debate. And then we shall discuss. Tonight, the stage is set for the first TV confrontation between President Biden and former President Trump in more than three years. the agreement punctuating a dizzying day of deal making the president posting this video responding to weeks of pressure from Mister Trump for a debate.

Starting point is 02:44:12 Don't talk to the base in 2020 since any had shown up for debate now exactly what you want to debate me again make my day. The president's haunting his rival over his Manhattan hush money trial that's kept him in court four days a week So let's pick the dates down. I heard you're free on Wednesdays There are traditionally three debates the president offering to mr Trump who refused all of the primary debates quickly saying yes and pushing for more writing I'm ready and willing to debate crooked Joe at the two proposed times

Starting point is 02:44:43 I would strongly recommend more than two debates and for excitement purposes, a very large venue. Just tell me when I'll be there. Within hours, a pair of debate dates were set one in late June, another in September, both sides bypassing the commission on presidential debates proposal for three fall showdowns. President Biden's decision comes after former president Trump repeatedly challenged him to debate.

Starting point is 02:45:07 You can see we have an empty podium right here to my right. You know what that is? That's for Joe Biden. I'm trying to get him to debate. In an already unprecedented campaign, the first crucial clash, now the earliest in modern history. So this does prove obviously that politics is show business for ugly people. Your thoughts on this, John?

Starting point is 02:45:29 Well first of all, something that none of these analysts have picked up on is the real reason Joe wants no audience. Because the Democrats, this is a Democrat centered thing, it's going to be CNN, it's going to be two people, two people. Both of them have called Trump Hitler. Both of them. Tapper and Dana Bash. And so the reason he has to have no audience

Starting point is 02:45:54 because they could have loaded up with a bunch of pro Biden people and it'd be fine, is you can't hear the earwig. You can't hear the IFB. Exactly, exactly. He's going to have a piece deep in his ear. It's going to be one of those canal items. Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

Starting point is 02:46:12 And he's going to probably be talking to it. But you can't hear it if you're in a giant crowd that are all clapping and hooting and hollering. You won't be able to pick up the cues. Joe is going to be talked to through the whole thing, and he's going to be repeating what the things, whoever's talking to him. This is a scam. Yes. And and of course, it's entertainment

Starting point is 02:46:36 gambit to get some money for Disney and for a scene. By the way, you know, it's kind of a joke to say, you know, we don't want an audience on CNN because they don't have an audience. So that's not, that's not very hard. It's just, I mean, what is their, do they think they can do something here? I mean, I understand they want the microphones muted while the other person is talking. What kind of debate is this? It's not a debate. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:47:09 Well, it'll be entertainment. Like you said, it's entertainment. It'll be Bonanza ratings. It'll be fantastic. Well, for CNN, they always have a big number. So what? They can't sell into it. It's not part of their... You know, they can't use that as a package sale or anything. This is just a big bump in their numbers for one day. And all the other networks are demanding that CNN, because ABC has already agreed to this,

Starting point is 02:47:37 that they allow the other people to carry the feed. No, no, no, you have to, no, no, no, we don't want to do that. Because they want to get their numbers super high. But most media people think that they're going to be hounded into sharing the feed as it because it is just a national thing. It should share the feed so it'll show up maybe on all the networks and then CNN won't get that bump. But I think it was a good move though. I think for the Biden camp, I think they made a move and it was a bold one

Starting point is 02:48:13 because they know their guy is retarded. They do. But it was a bold move and I think it put Trump on his hind leg there for a second. I think he has to figure out- They might and they're going to jack him up with whatever they give him for this state of the union. It works. So he'll be good for about an hour. Now you don't think that there's something here that there could be a quick switcheroo, a gambit, a foot, you know something that

Starting point is 02:48:36 we swap it out in comes Gavin Newsom? The thinking again goes the following as a in the following way. They want to do this debate early enough, like in June, to prevent like a switcheroo during the convention or anything because Biden will be established. Now he's the, you know, no matter what you think. No, they're not going to switch. Oh, so it's a defensive move against a strife inside the Democrat camp.

Starting point is 02:49:04 That's what one analysis would have. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. So you put him up there. He's already now, you know, you can't switch him out now. Yeah, that's OK. So that makes sense. No matter what happens, they can't swap him out. OK, well, it'll be great.

Starting point is 02:49:22 You know what's great about it? It's on a Wednesday. That's good for the show! We love that! I want to thank some people who came in $50 or above as producers of episode 1660 and we got some title changes and some nightings and a whopper of a meetup list. Very excited about that. So John, why don't you take us through these donations?

Starting point is 02:49:58 Yeah, we're going to start with John Kihanna in in Parkville Maryland with $150 and then we have Gary Cox in Queensland Australia with $12661 if you want to run that through a calculator that may bump up to $200 I'm not sure but he came in with $12661. I don't think it quite makes it. Wow it's really raining here. Lucas Williams Roswell New Mexico good, Roswell, New Mexico. Good old Roswell, $100. Kevin McLaughlin already. Oh.

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Starting point is 02:51:47 Blythewood, South Carolina, Sir Greg in Newport, North Carolina, and last on our list is Leanne Shipley in Covington Washington. No, we have one more. We have one more. Sarah, Sarah A. Martin. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Yeah, I'm sorry. Sarah Martin in Lanark, Ontario, Canada. She's got a birthday. Happy birthday to Amy best sister in the universe. No, right. That's beautiful Thank you all very much for supporting us And again, thank you to those people came in under $50 for reasons of anonymity and again everybody you can support us one way or The other these days you can go without that one value meal You could support the best podcast in the universe with $5.

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Starting point is 02:52:39 Oh no, what a champion. Yeah, we got some birthdays. Hold on a second. Let me get that. It's a birthday, birthday, on Noah's Champion. Yeah, we got some birthdays. Hold on a second, let me get the list here. We have Eric who wishes Lauren Palota a happy birthday, celebrated yesterday. DroneDorkWill wishes his keeper Melissa a happy one. It's her birthday today. And he himself is celebrating tomorrow. Isn't that coincidental? Brennan

Starting point is 02:53:05 Lawton turns 30 on the 18th. Eric Mackey, hello Eric Mackey, celebrating on May 18th. Alan Fiston wishes his beautiful daughter Isabella happy birthday for June 6th. So that's coming up I guess. And his smoking hot and smart wife Joni will be celebrated yesterday so it's a bladed happy birthday. And Sarah Martin wishes her sister Amy a happy birthday as we just heard. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Title changes, turn and face the slaves. Title changes, don't want to be a douchebag.

Starting point is 02:53:42 We have Title Change. Let me see. We have Kieran Hennessey. That's right. Becomes the Don't want to be a douchebag, the title change is done We have Kieran Hennessey, that's right, becomes the Baron of Donnybrook as requested and we thank you for supporting us with the multiple amounts necessary and you're now a Baron so we really appreciate that, thank you so much. We have a layaway night we want to celebrate today with a nighting and this comes from Justin Hiner, he's from Vine Grove, Kentucky Kentucky he's been a listener since my first appearance on Joe Rogan Experience Joe Rogan donation I am fresh off the night layaway program that my smoking hot rocket wife Natalie put me on as an anniversary gift a couple of years ago he says best gift ever quick shout out to my five sons and future nights Gavin

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Starting point is 02:57:10 Cincinnati, Ohio. The Connecticut Meetup, two o'clock on Saturday at the Truck Bar in Higginham, Connecticut. We have Red 33, Red 33, Boston, John Reed, Spring 2024 Meetup at 2.30, Castle Island Brewery in Northwood, Massachusetts. Insane Diego monthly meetup on Saturday at 3 30 at the Round Table Pizza Rancho Bernardo and that's in San Diego. The Central Ohio meetup at 5 at Dempsey's in Columbus, Ohio. On Sunday, our next show day, the Indy NA Tribal Tell Your Mother Revised meetup three o'clock at the Dugout Bar. Great place. We've been there. Tina and I went to visit Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Starting point is 02:58:44 Yay! Like a party. Yeah, yeah. Like a party. Like a party. I only have one ISO. I don't think it's very good actually. Shall I roll it out for you? It's my one ISO. Yes, please.

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Starting point is 02:59:02 But let's start with absolutely true. It's absolutely true. Not bad, not bad, not bad. I like it. Clear, it's to the point. Yes it is. And then best thing. Best thing to ever happen to the internet. Yeah, okay. That's the winner right there.

Starting point is 02:59:16 You knew that was going to win. It's beautiful. I love it. Good news, good news, good news, good news, good news. Time for some good news as we wind up our broadcast day. John, what do we have today? It's about a 102 year old woman's birthday and she is a hard working volunteer and she just keeps on trucking. You know who you sound like?

Starting point is 02:59:37 Who was the guy on the Today Show? The weather guy he used to do. We've got a shout out to the 100th. Oh yeah. What's his name? What's his? Ah. There's a big fat guy.

Starting point is 02:59:48 Yeah, dead guy. He's dead now. Ah, he's dead now. Somebody in this trouble. What was his name? All right. Now St. Mary celebrated one of their long time volunteers yesterday.

Starting point is 02:59:57 Shirley Schultz just turned 102. Our Jessica Livingstone was at the celebration where the birthday girl danced the party away and shared a little advice. Shirley Scholls, a three-time cancer survivor, has been volunteering for St. Mary's for more than two decades. She sorts papers and does what she calls the grant work because she says it's what keeps her going.

Starting point is 03:00:18 You give of yourself and the community gives back to you. So it works two ways. To me, volunteering is really very important. Shirley's life is a whirlwind with heirlooms for hospice on Monday, St. Mary's on Wednesday, and lunch with her friends on Friday. But Scholl's confides she could be busier in case you're looking for a volunteer. So Monday, Wednesday, and Friday I'm booked. But I'm open for Tuesday and Thursday if anybody's aware. To anyone hoping to make it as far as she has, she shares this life advice.

Starting point is 03:00:51 But you have to like yourself so you can like others and help others. You have to want to do that. Shirley Spice for Life never stops. For her, it's all been a grand, intoxicating adventure. My single malt scotch and my wine tasting and my traveling all over the world drives my family crazy. I was in Africa celebrating my 95th birthday on a camping trip.

Starting point is 03:01:16 So giving and loving, her door is always open to new and old friends. 5, 5.30, the news and the wine. I have any kind of snacks you want, so come on over. Five, five thirty. The news and the wine. I have any kind of snacks you want. So come on over. Happy birthday, Shirley. Here's to many, many more. That was a good one. I like it. I like it. I like to drink an old granny.

Starting point is 03:01:39 That's fantastic. Malt scotch and wine. Willard Scott was the name we were looking for. Willard Scott. I love that chick. I'm going to be the vaping granny. I'm going to be the vaping grandpa. Hey, hey, give me a single malt scotch.

Starting point is 03:01:56 I'm going to vape in your face. There is cute cat that ran up the tree. A lost dog is home and heavy. Will they play a good news clip? A good clip we'll see. Good news everybody. We love the good news segments. Very controversial. Very controversial.

Starting point is 03:02:16 Very controversial segment. Amongst the grouches out there. Very controversial segment, I tell you. Yeah, I hear good news. I hate good news. Hey, we got some mo facts coming up next. If you want to know about the the beef between Kendrick Lamar and the other guy. Yeah, what's his name? Yeah, that guy, Kendrick Lamar. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the the Canadian. Yeah, Drake, Drake, Drake Drake and its implications on black America It's all coming up next on no agenda stream calm troll room.io and in your modern podcast apps end of show mixes I think we got some good ones hog of short fuse

Starting point is 03:02:56 Professor Jay Jones always wraps up the previous show and we've got some Leo LePue classic good stuff And we've got some Leo LePue classic. Good stuff. Coming to you from Fredericksburg, Texas, the heart of the Texas Hill Country, FEMA region number six. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. Yeah, from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Sunday.

Starting point is 03:03:17 Please join us, looking forward to it. In the meantime, remember us at dvorak.org slash NA, noagentadonations.com. Until then, adios, mofos, a hooey hooey, and such. I got no agenda when it comes to these tracks. Rapid rails, no conspiracy theory, I'm spittin' facts. Let them do the research, back it with some C-SPAR, expose the memes Watch you bow to your kids, as they bless you with knighthood

Starting point is 03:03:50 TSA is grabbing ball sacks from the back to make your flight good It's for security they say, just a small price to pay Give your civil liberties taken away They think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid They think I'm paranoid, cause they don't like what I say In the morning to the resources and ships at sea They think I'm paranoid, you think I'm paranoid? They think I'm paranoid, cause they know like what I say In the morning to the resources and ships at sea In the morning Adam Curry and my man John C Our formula is simple, we hit em in the mouth

Starting point is 03:04:35 And I hit em in the mouth, to listen to what I'm talking about Don't let your free country go Because you wanna give it up too fast and react it too slow slow spending all our money in the land where the poppies grow bring it back ask some harrow man you know they think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid cause they don't like what I say they think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid cause they don't like what I say

Starting point is 03:05:04 they think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid, cause they don't like what I say. They think I'm paranoid, you think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid, cause they don't like what I say. They think I'm paranoid, you think I'm paranoid, they think I'm paranoid, cause they don't like what I say. Time to celebrate, because of bird flu. Very fishy. Eleven years of colder weather. We need to...no agenda fear scale. Whaaaaat? Just in time for Pride Month! Do you have a scarf?

Starting point is 03:05:31 There are new fears in this country about the potential impact of the H5N1 bird flu on humans. It's a money-making scheme. This has to be rejected. It's fake. H5N1 is mutating into a form that could spread from human to human. A lot of people getting worried. I saw nothing. The virus has now spread among dairy cattle across nine different states. This is bull crap. This is a hoax. We gotta have queers now. If they have births, do they drop dead? It's only a matter of time. Hospitalizations for COVID are at an all time low, but nothing got blown up. Live with it, queer.

Starting point is 03:06:09 So how worried should we be right now? Get off my lawn. Telephone poles are on fire. The risk to you right now is very low. But breaking. Typhoid nary. Call the herd. Non-binary, no binary, no nary. And coronal mass ejections. What is going on? Where is it? How widely is it spread?

Starting point is 03:06:29 They're phonies. They're all phonies. We've been duped Should really start going on rare a severe geomagnetic storm warning He actually played their song and said that piece of crap they played the real is Joe Biden It is scary and it does sound scary. Ah! The blue-haired people are all upset with me. Die, you slaves, die! Petrochemicals and sawdust is now

Starting point is 03:06:55 food increase in cancer mortality after a third COVID dose. I love it. Dead viral fragments in milk. Europe is lost. Figure out what the dominant strain's gonna be. Satan on the way, I think. We're going away. This is not gonna end well for you. No, that's the winning song.

Starting point is 03:07:16 A lot of protesting, telling your kid, You're mine! I'm good to go. It is scary, and it does sound scary. Even the smallpox vaccine, of of course started smallpox epidemics. Duh. Superstar not on the list. I want to introduce the biggest fans of Ukraine, Anthony Blinken.

Starting point is 03:07:35 The denizens of a bar in Kiev. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, he went to a bar and jammed with the local Ukrainian rock band. He was wearing jeans and a black shirt because he's so cool. For a war-torn country that is facing genocidal demolition, it would be cool that he can jam and party with a bunch of people who are drinking it up. They have unlimited, they will be funded forever. And it was obviously for the cameras. This was all planned and all staged. Who was this for exactly?

Starting point is 03:08:08 It does not send a message of desperation on the part of the Ukraine. Secretary of State Blinken jamming at a bar in Kiev while you're forced to cuff up tens of billions of dollars that we don't have for the war. There are too many failed theater kids, actors and musicians in politics. The actual band, they were told someone famous was going to come and play with them. They were told it was Neil Young. The Best Podcast in the Universe! Mopo. Dvorak.org slash NA.

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